The SMC's Total War Thread: 2950 BC

[Inverse Icarus]

Before we get started, I shall provide a list of threads of interest:

Case Pink
Old SMC Report
City Plans
SMC's Math

now that we're all up to speed, i have created an single image (and hopefully a single thread) for the whole war effort.

Sir Ralph suggested that after the initial attack begins, we should capture workers and use them to build a road back to our cities. sounds like a great plan to me, althought i would like to have had it done earlier but i can see why we it wasn't done.

i have labeled the two cities we plan to build, as well as a probably location for the next french city (Orleans, the Second French City on the List).

Now that we have Warrior Code and Bronze Working, we can beging amassing the armies. before we start mass producing the units, we need to pop out the barracks in Apolyton, as well as a settler or to. Check out the "Case Pink" thread for the exact times.

any problems? questions? suggestions?

[Kingof the Apes]

Good thing we traded for Warrior code, took off a few turns of the plan.

[GePap]

Next city

Where exactly will the next city go? The only worthwhile spot is right there about where Orleans might go, since it looked to me that the french are moving towards the coast. Also, will we make any contingencies based on possible goody hut encounters (if we kept them in) and meetings with other civs, perhaps south of the mountains? Also, will Plan pink have to be put up for a vote or will War simply be decided and Plan pink, if judged the best plan, go into effect?

[Inverse Icarus]

I FORGOT TO ATTACH! LOL

[Jonny]

This plan looks good so far. I don't see any problems with the plan right now. I support your plan.

Kill the Frenchies!!!

[Sirotnikov]

I have an alternate suggestion:

Why not, instead, instantly dispatch a settler unit to build an Apolytonian city where the expected French city will be.

This will no doubt halt their expansion in our direction, not to mention, their terrain is better.

Expected problems:

1) Corruption
2) Possible cultural assimilation.

[Flip McWho]

sounds good.

remember a plan never lasts first contact with the enemy.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I have an alternate suggestion:

Why not, instead, instantly dispatch a settler unit to build an Apolytonian city where the expected French city will be.

This will no doubt halt their expansion in our direction, not to mention, their terrain is better.

Expected problems:

1) Corruption
2) Possible cultural assimilation.

a french settler is already there. the city will be built in 2-3 turns tops.

[Trevman]

It is my opinion that we need more information on France's position. It would be better, if the French are not in our path of expansion, to rather expand away from Notylopa. We could spend our resources building settlers and create a better military force in better terrrain. Our production cannot match the French. We will have much better chances in better terrain and I do not see victory without it. Still, if this is not possible, then we will have no choice but to create are army in our jungle.

[Harovan]

What concerns the new French city: When attacking, I suggest to go with the stack straight to Paris, not violating the French borders in the new city. Paris for sure can be taken, the new city will be razed, since the AI keeps cities size 1 with poprushing and settler building and it won't have the culture to persist.

1st: Attack Paris and take it
2nd: Leave a spear and an (injured) archer in Paris, turn back with the stack and raze the new city
3rd: make peace, maybe for another city as prize.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
3rd: make peace, maybe for another city as prize.

Who're you kidding, we plan on wiping those Frogs out.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Trip

Who're you kidding, we plan on wiping those Frogs out.

if they give us a tech (especially the wheel ) i'd vote for keeping them alive a bit longer.

[notyoueither]

The French will have more than 2 cities when we strike.

More than 1 of them may well be captured. Discussions of specific tactics may be premature.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Trip
Who're you kidding, we plan on wiping those Frogs out.

Wipe them out before the late medieval age would not be wise. Here are the reasons:

Research: We need the French as research partners. They trade techs from other AIs for much less money than we can, and we can either trade, extort or beat the techs out of them, once they are weakened

Expansion: We want the French to found more cities and prepare the surrounding terrain. Cities built by a weak AI civ are practically ours and a settler less to build. And if they irrigate and mine (they are industrious too), we have less work with it.

Military: A weak AI civ is a good unit trainer and leader producer. Just attack them from time to time, cut their wings again, train your units (may be produce a GL), take a city or 2, and give them peace again for 20 turns. Don't violate peace treaties, vassals are valuable.

Finances: Every contact to another civ lowers the price for traded advances. To wipe them out, would hurt ourselves.

We still can wipe them out later, when we built up our own research and finished the initial expansion phase, with a bunch of cavalries.

[civman2000]

I agree, let em live for now (I mean after the first war).