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    Should the People Be Allowed to Impeach the President and Ministers?

    This is an important vote, so it will expire in five days Wednesday 6/19, at 1200 (12pm) Est.

    Here is how the poll will be interrupted:

    The Yes and No blocks will be tallied, the block with the most votes shall win. The option with the most vosts in the winning block will be the option that we use.

    IMPORTANT EDIT

    Upon making this poll I realized I have inadvertently discriminated against the "Let's consider other options" choice, by dividing them between the two blocks.

    THESE TWO CHOICES WILL BE ADDED TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE POLL, AND IF THEY POSSES MORE VOTES THAN EITHER BLOCK THIS OPTION WILL WIN, AND THE POLL WILL BE RESTARTED TO INCLUDE THE NEW OPTIONS

    Sorry for the confusion, but I want to make sure everything is fair as possible


    YES:

    - This leaves total power to the people on when they want to get rid of someone up to no good.


    NO:

    - This leaves more power to the government. With this option people would be required to pettition Ministers or the president, and find someone brave enough to post an impeachment thread.


    Remember as always, Think carefully before voting . . .
    57
    YES: A majority vote (51%) is enough to remove an elected official from office. [b]Anyone may post a poll for impeachment[/b]
    14.04%
    8
    YES: A 2/3 vote (66%) is enough to remove an elected official from office. [b]Anyone may post a poll for impeachment[/b]
    61.40%
    35
    YES: But, I feel there are other options we must consider (please post below)
    1.75%
    1
    NO: [b]Only a minister or a president can post a poll for someone to be impeached.[/b] Once this is done, A majority vote by the people (51%) is enough for it to pass.
    1.75%
    1
    NO: [b]Only a minister or a president can post a poll for someone to be impeached.[/b] Once this is done, a 2/3 vote (66%) is enough for it to pass.
    21.05%
    12
    NO: Bur, I feel we must consider other options (please post below)
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Timeline; June 14, 2002, 08:48.
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  • #2
    Power to the people

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    • #3
      As long as we don't have something like a Senate, then of course the people have the right to impeach a minister. (As it is usually the task of the Congress)
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      • #4
        people impeach with 2/3rds.

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        • #5
          Interesting question, impeachement... First, why would a minister or presidenet be put up for impeachment? Barring an affair with Cleopatra or Joan of Arc there would have to be some grevious cheating or violation of the duties associated with an office.

          For example, the president would have to cheat in the saved game or someone would play ahead for any reason. Also, someone could intentionally do something very bad for the Empire (like losing a war and cedeing a wonder or three). It's difficult to embezle (sp.) in this game, so that's out. Something like intentionally leaving artillery where someone could take it would qualify as treason, though I doubt that would happen.

          Most things someone could do to deserve impeachement would be very bad for the empire, and the people would know it. We are all intelligent and reasoning human beings and in the terms of this game, somewhere between a senate and a citizenry. Therefore I vote to let the people (power to the settlers! ) decide impeachement.

          However, in order to prevent impeachement from being abused as a party-based power-mongering tool, I advise a 2/3 majority.
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          • #6
            I'm 51% This is why. If the president is impeached than I think the VP would take his job until the position is filled through a special election. If another minister is impeached then the president will appoint someone to fill the position until a special election. So the government would only face a minor disruption.

            You say 2/3 would work. I don't like it because a popular but bad, say Uberkrux (I know he can take it) is impeached than I'd rather have him out. 2/3 is quite a majority.
            Accidently left my signature in this post.

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            • #7
              I am for a 2/3rds vote by the people also, for the reasons Chandragupta stated above

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              • #8
                I have faith that the parties will come to some kind of consensus especially considering they will generally coinhabit the government.
                Accidently left my signature in this post.

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                • #9
                  2/3rds say 2/3rds!

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                  • #10
                    I too think that anyone should post an impeachment poll : the people must have the power, and we shouldn't let such an immense power (impeachment) in the hands of few professional politicians.
                    But I think a 2/3 majority is required, as the impeachment of a major minister / prez would create a political crisis. We can't allow a crisis to emerge too easily. Any, that's just my opinion
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                    • #11
                      66% vote with anyone able to post it- this would lessen corruption or lessen the presidents hate of a particular minister (someone extremely active in the game)

                      But a 75% majority could be a good prerequistice as well?
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                      • #12
                        2/3 is a lot. Out of 100 or so citizens we have now, that means 67 of them have to vote yes.

                        Or do we mean 2/3 of voters in the poll?
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                        • #13
                          I voted for "Yes-other" but I've changed my mind-- I'm under "Yes-66%" now.
                          oh god how did this get here I am not good with livejournal

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Captain
                            2/3 is a lot. Out of 100 or so citizens we have now, that means 67 of them have to vote yes.

                            Or do we mean 2/3 of voters in the poll?
                            2/3 of the people who voted must agree to impeachment for it to happen.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Timeline
                              2/3 of the people who voted must agree to impeachment for it to happen.
                              Don't believe him Captain vote for 51%
                              Accidently left my signature in this post.

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