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**CiverDan** · June 7, 2003, 20:43

If we go for Philosophy now, we can't take Aydin or
Bursa, the only two cities of real use to us. Sinop without Bursa is not that great for culture-flip and defendability reasons. It would be pressured by Ankara ans Bursa (which has a temple and border expansion) Just making a settler there with no obvious place nearby to go isn't that much better.

We could just cripple the ottomans by taking 4 cities, but then we would get no tech to trade. Personally I would rather get the tech. I say try to Take Aydin, then try to get Bursa+Philosophy from them.

**Tassadar500** · June 8, 2003, 00:08

Well why dont we take Adin by force and then make peace for even more. But it also depends if we would lose forces because of that attack. The Ottomans could have very well stack their defences there.

**MrWhereItsAt** · June 8, 2003, 00:57

/me puts on Brian Blessed voice

What kind of Viking would dare to put forth the utterance that we would rather settle for peace? NO! We have SWORDS, these new easier-to-deal-with axes, and all of them are still shiny new! We must dull them and prove their worth in combat. Then and only then, when our soldiers are steeped in the BLOOD of our enemies will we allow them a reprieve.

BWAAAAAAGH!

**OPD** · June 8, 2003, 08:00

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
Well why dont we take Adin by force and then make peace for even more. But it also depends if we would lose forces because of that attack. The Ottomans could have very well stack their defences there.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Drag things out for a little longer untill we take or probably destroy aydin. Then sue for Bursa, Sinop, Andayna and Knoya. They won't be able to throw any serious units at us and as long as we play things right we should be able to get a better deal in a few turns than now.
Although we have to be careful to build another cities on adydin quickly if it razes with all those other stlrs around.

**Jonny** · June 8, 2003, 10:20

Let us take Aydin, then get Philosophy + whatever else we can get for peace.

Then, perhaps we could sell/trade Philosophy to those civs still lacking it: Iroquois, Celts, Babylon, Japan, Spain, and England.

**Aggie** · June 8, 2003, 10:45

yes indeed, lets take aydin and perhaps another city in central ottoman land and then make peace for much more. We have sufficient forces in the area. I would prefer 1/2 more archers to go with the 3 swords near Aydin though.
Aggie

**Kloreep** · June 8, 2003, 16:45

Taking Aydin has support from all posters here so far, so unless anyone raises objections, we should do so.

Dejon, do you think we have a good shot at taking Aydin?

**History Guy** · June 8, 2003, 18:48

MWIA,

You think you do a good Brian Blessed voice? You haven't heard mine! (Of course, now that I think of it, I haven't heard yours either.)

Anyway, yes, let's go get more cities and make them vassals! Ahahahahaha!

Historik Battleaxe

**Hot Mustard** · June 8, 2003, 18:53

Originally posted by Kloreep
Taking Aydin has support from all posters here so far, so unless anyone raises objections, we should do so.

Dejon, do you think we have a good shot at taking Aydin?

If it has the same sort of defense we saw at Erdine and Uskudar (2 spears max), I don't see it being a problem. The attack force being assembled is 1 spear and 4 swords, with the possible addition of an archer or two.

We do not have sufficient forces to push further west or northwest at this time. That land will leave our forces very open to attack while travelling, and we don't have the required escort units for our offensive units.

I agree with just taking Aydin and then making peace. The Iroq are growing and dangerous - they are begging to see the end of a Viking sword. With all the settlers to our east, we know it will only be a matter of time before those civs go to war, hopefully with each other. Regardless, we have to start preparing to more seriously defend our other borders.

**OPD** · June 8, 2003, 20:24

Originally posted by dejon
If it has the same sort of defense we saw at Erdine and Uskudar (2 spears max), I don't see it being a problem. The attack force being assembled is 1 spear and 4 swords, with the possible addition of an archer or two.

Did any units come out of edrine since war was declared? It probably had 1 spear before the war and it looks like it has since pop rushed from 3 to 1. If no units have come out of it then it's probably got 2 spears and an archer.

**Aggie** · June 8, 2003, 21:31

I believe there is an archer to the north of it, so that probably came from it. I know this could be over stretching, but if we could perhaps bring 2 archers from wl to the west we could perhaps push toward bursa, we don't need to attack and must plan it right during Aydin. Just having the force there will make peace deal better and if we get real lucky and get a chance, taking bursa would allow an even better deal.
Aggie

**Beta** · June 8, 2003, 22:12

I am in agreement with taking Aydin, and then cutting the deal.

I am also in favor of putting up an eastern wall. The next planned city SE of Asgard, and 4 units (spearmen) on the mountains - and we can seal of our end of the continent. Us and the Iroq.

**GodKing** · June 9, 2003, 13:55

Sounds like a plan if forming. So, did we teach those ottomans enough, or shall we have to go after them in another 30+/- turns? Duh... we are the vikings.

**Panag** · June 9, 2003, 13:59

Originally posted by BetaHound
I am in agreement with taking Aydin, and then cutting the deal.

I am also in favor of putting up an eastern wall. The next planned city SE of Asgard, and 4 units (spearmen) on the mountains - and we can seal of our end of the continent. Us and the Iroq.

hi ,

, those mountains could indeed be a great line of defense , ....... we should re-arm , build our nation a bit and then teach them a lesson or two , ......

have a nice day

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