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**WhiteBandit** · May 15, 2003, 22:26

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**GodKing** · May 15, 2003, 22:39

Some DM issues:

We have a settler ready now. We also have three sites we can send him to. (BTW, sorry Kloreep, some changes were made in your orders due to some errors and discussion in the chat. Hope you don't mind, but I know that with your skill you can fix anything I may have screwed up...

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Site yellow. This was our original plan. This will allow for our early archers.

Iron site. To our west. This is the only known iron for the ottomans also. It will keep it our of their hands and make it available to us. It is however, well away from our capitol and may have some corruption issues.

Horsie site. To our east, on the other side of the mountains. The Zulu recently plopped a city near there, and we will have to fight it with culture (Vikings - Culture?) or weapons to get the horses into our city radii. However, the city site is an excelent one for long term gaming.

Research - what to research next? More of a general quesiton than a DM......

One thing I noticed we were missing in this and the previous chats... FAM assistance. We need some people to join along and keep up with the FAM, as we almost missed a couple of trades that may have been good for us. For example, in turn 9 the english had a worker available, but we choose not to take it because they were asking for 89 g and 2 gpt. Another worker would help us out a lot now, but not at that price. However, how many turns were workers available with some civ that would have only asked 65 gold, that we missed? who knows. We need help folks. GeneralTacticus needs some assistance, so please volunteer if you can.

Spending rate - now we are taking in 100 taxes. We are using the person in Warrior's Luck for science.. However, he is now no longer unhappy, and can be used in production. Should we? Should we adjust the sliders? Something to look at. We kinda skipped over it the last 3 turns of this chat, and I kinda regret doing it. Oh well. To late now.

Some things to think about and discuss.

**GodKing** · May 15, 2003, 22:43

Also, Iroc do not have iron (the only civ we know who doesn't). We can trade iron + 15 gold for myst, or iron + 54 gold for horse. I say go for myst, but we must decide now.

There are also a couple more civs we can purchase contact with. Should we?

**Togas** · May 15, 2003, 22:54

Looks like the other civs are trading contacts.

Right now we have contact with:

(Civs we've seen)
Ottomans
Zululand
Iriquois
Celts

(Civs we haven't seen that have contact with us)
Persia
Egypt
Germany
Korea
England

(Civs that contact is available for purchase)
Babylon
Japan
Spain

Can we get a few screenshots and a WM?

From looking at the save, it appears that the Iriquois have 2 sources of iron within their cultural borders, they just haven't hooked it up yet.

The Ottoman city Izmit is sitting on horses.

--Togas

**Kloreep** · May 15, 2003, 23:31

On Horse Riding vs. Myst: Myst. I assume we're taking the Monarchy road, so we'll need it, and Riding isn't that valuable when we're buliding Archers.

On the slider and Warrior's Luck: My philosophy, especially since we're planning an archer rush, is shields before commerce, always; so I'd like to use the science slider (2 commerce this turn, only 1 for a little after that once Trondheim builds settler) and have Warrior's Luck work a bonus grass. That'll half the build time of the Barracks there. (Good change, BTW; I didn't take the archer garrison into account.

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On the iron site: I think that would be a waste of a settler. If we don't conquer that area, our archer rush will have failed.

On the horse site: Like you say, Vikings are probably one of the worst civs for fighting a culture battle; and the fact that the Zulu got there first would make it even harder. On the other hand, we can't be sure whether we'll be able to afford war with the Zulu, or whether we'll want to; so we may want to settle there eventually, especially if we don't take the war up to Izmit. Regardless, I think the Trondheim settler should found yellow city; it's about time we got another city sharing those juicy bonus grass tiles, and any resources pulled away from the archer rush could turn out to have been vital when our troops start marching.

More DM details later. ~~I'll try to have a new queue up tonight.~~ Edit: Scratch that, it's too late. Tomorrow.

**BigFurryMonster** · May 16, 2003, 04:58

Better plant a city on the Cattle and hook up the Iron. Then, send an army of spearmen to the west.

**OPD** · May 16, 2003, 05:38

Some trading could be possible.

The following civs have all that we have plus Alphabet, Mysticism and Horseriding. Plus contact with the babs, japs and spanish.

Persia, England, Korea, Celts, Germans, Zulus.

The following have all that we have plus Alphbet, Mysticism and Horse.

Ottomans

The following have Mysticism and Horse but don't have Iron working.

Ironquios

Then there's the hidden civs

Babs, Japan and Spanish

If we get communications with the new civs we could probably get a nice deal for some tech off the otts and ironquios for contact to them plus gold and maybe a tech off the ironquios for IW and a few gold or maybe alpa if we can get it off the otts.
Then perhaps some trading with the hiddens civs could be possible

**civman2000** · May 16, 2003, 09:06

Any screenshots?

**GodKing** · May 16, 2003, 14:06

OPD, can we trade contacts without having alphabet and/or writing?

**joncnunn** · May 16, 2003, 14:18

Looks like the islands were placed too close to each other in some spots.

Originally posted by Togas
Looks like the other civs are trading contacts.

Right now we have contact with:

(Civs we've seen)
Ottomans
Zululand
Iriquois
Celts

(Civs we haven't seen that have contact with us)
Persia
Egypt
Germany
Korea
England

(Civs that contact is available for purchase)
Babylon
Japan
Spain

--Togas

**OPD** · May 16, 2003, 16:34

Originally posted by GodKing
OPD, can we trade contacts without having alphabet and/or writing?

I don't know.

But I think it's important to at least try and stay intouch tech wise

**Shiber** · May 16, 2003, 17:13

In order to trade contacts, at least one of the two parties must have writing AFAIK.

Good work guys.

I'm impressed with the way that this game turned around.

**Octavian X** · May 16, 2003, 18:21

I'll confirm that someone needs writing to trade contact.

Any news on possible tech purchases? At this point, we can get some good techs pretty cheap.

**sp0rkius** · May 24, 2003, 14:40

whats the point of putting the cities so close together? surely in future when they have huge populations there will be a severe land shortage... and if anyone nukes us we're screwed..

is that a stupid question?

regarding resources i think we should build on the cow for iron because it'll really help us fight the ottos, then maybe we can get up to izmit and the horses.. we may be using archers for now but it pays to be flexible.

why can't we recearch our own technology? surely it's better to put like slider at, say 80% and get it for ourselves than to fund our enemies armies?

i know this is all irrelevant now becasue the orders have gone through but i just thought i'd have my say.

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