Adopt the NewCon?

[Octavian X]

:hmm:

I was under the impression to poll showed the majority in favor keeping the NewCon, with the understanded that it would amended to our liking.

On your proposal: That may work, if we drop the stuff about the king and nobility, throw in a few more ministers and a court. While I don't like the document itself, this is the kind of simplicity we should aim for.

[Aidun]

Nice work Thud, I support this constitution if you change the title of your post to "Constitutional Monarchy with Parliamentary Democracy" .

Aidun

[MrWhereItsAt]

/me turns pale

/tipoftheiceberg

The King is elected for THREE MONTHS!?!?!!

/tipoftheiceberg

[Panag]

hi ,

what happens if the prez for one or the other reason decides not to agree with a minister , poll , or law , ..

yet he does it in the intrest of the game , and ( possibly ) later on its proven he did right , ....

have a nice day

[Thud]

Yeah, I thought that it might be a little excessive, Mwia, but I was in keeping with the Court cycle. (which I disagreed with) I would actually rather have it every one or two months.

[Aidun]

A totally new concept

It would be fun to start with monarchy and get a constitutional crisis halfway: civil disorder, republicans shouting at the palace, demanding the abdication of the king. The symbol of the authoritarian rule of the king: the state prison is being stormed.
But the king does not want to abdicate: republicans, backed by the armed forces, who still demand a large sum of unpaid salary, battle with the royal troops, backed by the monarchists. Finally the republicans win and storm the palace. The king is captured and accused of high treason. The is being executed on the plaza before the palace.

Instead of an autocratic govenment, the nobles choose a new government type: a republic. A council of nine nobles, elected by the nobles that are not in the council governs. None of the council members is responsible for one particular department. All council members are responsible for all departments: cityplanning, production, foreign affairs, and defense.

The chairman, appointed by the council members leads the discussion. He posts threads in which proposals on every department can be made and argued, about which tha council members vote in the turnchat.

Each of the council member represents a groop of nobles. He has to keep those nobles voting for him so that he can take part in the discussions and decisionmaking of the council.

Parties can play an active role in this system. Their main goal is to get as many representatives in the executive council as possible and heavy debates between parties should occur daily between the parties because all is up to discussion. There is not a minister who decides what the policy on a department will be and whether what strategy is being used in war, it is the council that decides.

On important decisions like war, the council can decide to let all the nobles speak.

What do you think about this democratic concept? Quite different from the system we used in the former democracy game. Its a bit like indirect Athenian democracy: no ministers, but also not the entire population is ruling the state so that it is still workable.

Aidun

[Aidun]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
The King is elected for THREE MONTHS!?!?!!

Be glad it is only three months. Normally a king rules until he decides, or his body decides to stop with it, now he is bound to three months.

Aidun

[Octavian X]

If anyone is still curious, I've begun work reformatting the consitution. The html file in this zip file should look much nicer than the current one.

[DAVOUT]

Aidun,

You described the Comité de Salut Public.

Could be fun ... with a guillotine on the Plaza :

[Panag]

hi ,

a Q for the law makers , something to give thoughts , ....

what happens if in a poll 50% of the people choose option one , yet an other option get 49.9% , .... do we repoll or not , ....

something that came up today during an intresting observation , ......

in democratic views those 49.9 cant be ignored , ....

have a nice day

[Panag]

hi ,

take a look at this , it can be found here > This is a link to the CFC constitution:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=48615

thanks to togas for the link

here it is ;

Please do not post in this thread.

The Constitution of Fanatikou

Article A. All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen Registry are citizens of Fanatikou. Citizens have the right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to representation, the right to demand satisfaction and the right to vote.

Article B. Governing rules shall consist of the Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws and the Code of Standards. No laws shall be passed that conflict with an article and no standards shall be used that conflict with a law or an article.

Article C. The government will consist of the Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Article D. The Executive Branch is headed by the President, who shall be the designated player of the game. Directly below the President shall be the Domestic and Foreign Affairs Leaders. The Science and Military Leader shall report directly to the Domestic Leader, and the Culture and Trade Leaders shall report to the Foreign Affairs Leader. Each of these leaders will be generally responsible for the items found under the respective Advisor in the Civilization III game and esoteric aspects that fall under their department name.

Article E. The Legislative Branch shall consist of the Congress and the Senate. The Congress will be formed of the entirety of the citizenry. The Senate shall be formed of the Provincial Governors, who shall be responsible for the care, management and use of the cities and lands of a province.

Article F. The Judicial Branch will be formed of three leaders, one who is tasked with upholding the laws (Judge Advocate), one who is tasked with defending the citizenry (Public Defender) and headed by the Chief Justice. It shall be the main responsibility of the Judiciary to admit citizens into the game who shall have joined after February 16, 2003.

Article G. All offices will be filled via election with terms lasting according to a fixed schedule based on game years. Terms shall be divided into 10 equal terms of 45 turns each and place elections accordingly.

Article H. It is unlawful to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
Exception: The structure of peace renegotiation treaties requires an action to be taken to view the bargaining possibilities. Specifically, once the deal is broached it must result in a new deal or a declaration of war. Once the bargaining possibilities have been noted the altered game must be immediately closed without saving. Further activity in the altered game is not allowed.

Article I. The average of the number of votes cast in each of the most recent contested elections shall constitute an active census of citizens. The highest vote total of these elections shall constitute a full census (the Congress). A majority of the Congress shall be required to amend the Constitution.

Article J. Elected officials must plan and act according to the will of the people.

Article K. The constitution, laws and standards of Fanatikou can never be contrary to the rules and regulations of the Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article L. Both President and Foreign Affairs Leader are de-facto ambassadors. Regular Ambassadors are elected each term. Ambassadors shall only be chosen when Fanatikou has made in-game contact with a rival civilization.

Article M. In the event the positions of Domestic, Foreign Affairs, or any Judicial position becomes vacant, the President shall apoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the military, science, or any governorship position becomes vacant, the Domestic Leader shall apoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the culture, trade, or any Ambassador position becomes vacant, the Foreign Affairs Leader shall appoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the President vacates his/her position, the domestic leader shall become President, and shall appoint a new leader to be domestic leader.
All appointments must be approved by the Council.
In the event any leader takes a temporary leave of absence, he shall appoint a pro-tempore official to fill that position until the leader shall return.


have a nice day


and this is the polling and remarks page > http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=45355

[Aidun]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Aidun,

You described the Comité de Salut Public.

Could be fun ... with a guillotine on the Plaza :

A guillotine. It wasn't very difficult to see the link with the French Revolution. Fun, but it costs too much blood, and we cannot afford big bloodshed and massmurder.

I didn't know I described the Comité de Salut Publique (I guess thet is the French spelling)?

But to return to the point I was making. I really think such a system would be great fun. I have seen the warmongers rise again after their silent death in C3DG 1, but where is the big competition? I don't see it anywhere, no riots and mass demonstrations against the government like in the time of the proposal of the abolition of the slavery in C3DG 1.

UnOrthO, what do you think of it? You told me at the end of the last game that you wanted a lot of competition in the new game? Come and get it!

Aidun