A new civilization from the bottom of the world.

[Chilean President™]

I'm wondering... considering the current world, in a future Civ4 you could include a Latin American civilization?


...The Chilean Civilization

[Datajack Franit]

[Gangerolf]

cool.

any suggestions for unique unit?

[Chilean President™]

hmm.. well the Latinamerican Civilization must have has unique unit the "Corrupt Politician" with enought power to get richer and richer every single day

the Chilean Civilization must have the "Caleuche" unit... a mysterious ship that travels on the forgotten lakes, fiords and bays of the southern regions sunking foreign ships .. it get invicible 'cause is a Ghost Ship from the days of the Chilean Independence... it's pretty freak, but is a "true" legend

[Wernazuma III]

Any chilean UU would have to be invincible, (o así lo creen los chilenos. ) or at least they would never retreat from combat (look at CP's signature)

[Chilean President™]

I said "invicible" not "invencible"... but... a Chilean invencible unit could be just fine

or at least they would never retreat from combat (look at CP's signature)

I don't believe that the guys in this thread understand a word of my signature

anyway is nice to see U around here Werna.. I believe that we are the ambassadors of both of our countries in this site

[Egbert]

Good idea.

There is also an urgent need for the most glorious of all civilisations, the Australian, to be included.
I have never understood why Firaxis left Australia out.


The UU could be the "drunken hoon".

[Chilean President™]

Originally posted by peterfharris
Good idea.

There is also an urgent need for the most glorious of all civilisations, the Australian, to be included.
I have never understood why Firaxis left Australia out.
The UU could be the "drunken hoon".

Great then.. we should contact Firaxis a let them now the global need for the inclusion of Chile and Australia in Civ4

I create a new UU for the Chilean Civilization.. it's called, "The Pinochet Zombi Unit".. when you build it he scare everybody

[Wernazuma III]

He was already pretty scary when he was no Zombie...

[War4ever]

argentina should have a civ...actually who is the most powerful nation in SA at this time???

[Chilean President™]

Due to my nationality I should leave this discussion to those who know Sud America's current reality, however I'll give you a little profile of each one of the countries that compose the continent, beginning with the poorest:

Bolivia: It has faced serious protests in the last 12 months, because the government began reformations to regulate the use of the leaf of coca, mainly used for indigenous who dominate the agriculture. Strikes of many days took place in the whole country, which is severely affected by the South American economic crisis. A project to export gas from Bolivia to United States and that he/she would give to the country a lot of money it has been suspended because the great majority of the Bolivians rejects the project for that the exit to the sea should be made by Chile (they hate us because we won the War of the Pacific) and because they would export to the United States (they hate US for... well they just hate the US). In the last presidential elections, it was chosen Sanchez of Lozada again and in second place arrive a native in favor of the use of coca.

Ecuador: Since 1998 it was sunk in a political and economic chaos. After a series of short administrations and even a coup Ecuador sank in the South American crisis. The rejection to the change of the currency of the country for the dollar caused protests in the whole country, mainly of indigenous and communist forces. In 2001 the economy of the country grew again and the gross internal product was stabilized. Few weeks ago a former general of the coup of 2000 won the presidential elections and it is expected that he realize economic changes that allow to his country leave the poverty.

Colombia: Internal chaos due to the state of civil war. The constants military incursions of the right and left guerrillas have reduced the possibilities of development of Colombia. The recently elected president Uribe wants to apply zero tolerance to the terrorist actions, reason why it is expected that the country could begin, on a near future, the efforts to look for the economic development and to iniciate a open economy policie with the rest of the world.

Venezuela: Hugo Chavez has driven Venezuela to the political, civil, economic and militar chaos. When he assume the control of the country, Chavez eliminate the national congress, change the constitution and began to govern as a dictator. In the last weeks Venezuela was sank in the worst of its crises, a general strike that has paralyzed the trade and inclusive the export of petroleum (Venezuela is the fifth country in exporting petroleum in the world). After almost 15 days of strike, yesterday the first confrontation took place among the national police (pro Chavez) and the army (pro democracy).

Peru: During the government of Fujimori, the guerrilla (Shining Path) was practically eliminated of the country, however Mr. Fujimori also "eliminate" money of the Peruvians and escape to Japan. In 2000 was elected president Alejandro Toledo who has had difficulties to follow government's coherent program due to the popular protests of the economic opening. It is expected that in next months the economy of Peru will grow.

Paraguay: In spite of having been sunk in the South American crisis, Paraguay was able not to fall in economic recession. Big reformations have begun in the country and because is a member of the Mercosur Group has been able to increase their exports. At the moment the president has been prosecuted by the congress due to corruption.

Uruguay: Has great respect and it is known as the South American Switzerland. The Argentinean crisis has caused some protests in the country, but in spite of having been on the edge of the economic recession it has been able to stay stable. Considered a reliable country for the experts, the politicians have suffered constant accusations of corruption. The exports of Uruguay have grown in the last months.

Brazil: Geographically it is the biggest country in the region. Also bill with the biggest market of south america and have a powerful armed forces. In spite of having high levels of exports and a strong gross internal product, almost the 50% of the population lives in poverty. Practically the middle class doesn't exist in the country.
In the recent presidential elections it was elected Inacio Lula Da Silva, a former communist and current laborist politician, contrary to the economic politicies and to the globalization. In spite of the above-mentioned he has had meetings with the presidents from Chile and United States to sign agreements of free trade and to ratify their commitment with the security and continental economy.

Argentina: Focus of the South American economic crisis. Argentina was for a lot of time the Sud American lighthouse, a jewel, however the corruption has reached untenable levels for a democracy. In less than one year it has had 6 different presidents. The protests and strikes are common in the big cities, where the lootings and the kidnappings have transformed Argentina into one of the most dangerous countries in the region. The worst part of the crisis has taken place few weeks ago, when the world knew that children on the interior of the country would be dying of famine. Argentina began to be called The South American Ethiopia. In spite of everything, the government has indicated that the worst in the crisis has already happened and that they expect an improvement in the national situation.

Chile: After 17 years of military government, directed by the General Augusto Pinochet, Chile carried out democratic elections in 1990. Between 1991 and 1997, due to the economic changes taken place from 80's, the economy began to grow to 7 or 8% a year. However in 1998 the Asian crisis caused a fall in that percentage to 4%. In 2000 it assumed the power president Ricardo Lagos, well-known internationally like a reliable person and a great politician. The Asian crisis left Chile with levels of unemployment of 8% which has begun to lower in the last months. The investment in technology and communications that began in the 90's caused the arrival of big technological companies that established theirs Latin American HQ in the country (Oracle, Compaq, Motorola, Intel, Microsoft, etc.). The quick technological growth of the country is demonstrated with the appearance of the Internet wide band and satellital (that have 40% of the market) and the cellular telephony (85% of the market, the biggest in the continent). Due to the great technological development reached by Chile this year, 3 free trade agreements of supreme importance were signed, with South Korea, the European Union and another with the United States (the first agreement of free trade that US signs with a South American country).
In spite of the above-mentioned, the level of unemployment has gone down only from 8% to 7,6% and the armed forces should have deferred their development projects (in the last 10 years they were bought new F-16, however the Navy has not changed their old ships).

[Chilean President™]

pardon for the orthographic and grammatical errors

[ranskaldan]

Nice!

btw, can you explain the Andean Pact & Mercosur? How strong/weak/effective/meaningless are these organizations? Also, the concept of "AFTA"?

Truth is, my knowledge of that quadrant of the world is seriously lacking.

[jdd2007]

yah, right after andorra.

[Dugrik]

The most obvious South American civ would be the Incas. They certainly deserved inclusion more than the Iroqouis did.

Of the modern Latin American states, Brazil is clearly the emerging technological and industrial leader which will dominate the continent in the years to come.