Israel civ

[Solomyr]

oh yeah...

Sagacious Dolphin,

i'm not really sure what you mean by saying the Jews were influenced during the explusion to babylon? that's not really accurate to my knowledge. did the jewish religion change after the distruction of the Temple and then, during the exile? yes, absolutly, but not necessarily do what they found in babylon. at least not that i have heard.

[Cidifer]

Didn't bible talk about palestinians having a grand kingdom before they God decided to chase them away and make rom for his chosen people?

Didn't bible talk about palestinians having a grand kingdom before they God decided to chase them away and make rom for his chosen people?

1st of all I don't know what that had to do with what I said, 2nd of all I really don't want to get into an arguement over what the bible says, and personally I don't read the bible so I don't know too mcuh specifics on it.

[Dauphin]

Re: oh yeah...

Originally posted by Solomyr
Sagacious Dolphin,

i'm not really sure what you mean by saying the Jews were influenced during the explusion to babylon?

I don't know how the effects of exile affected Jewish religion, but I would presume their world view would have been affected by outside influences to some extent.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


The point remains that most scientists believe that there is probably a single root law that is as yet unknown. And I am saying that that is as much to do with monotheistic culture as it is to do with scientific reasoning.

If we lived in a society where polytheism was more prevalent than monotheism, our science would reflect that, by prefering to believe in option 2.

Oh I agree, but like I said, you dont see too many muslims say "Well I beleiev in only one allah, but there many be many allahs or no allah but buddha"

With faith its more like a firm thing. A done deal and no questions asked so to speak. but im not really refuting agst ur idea that sci is monotheistic, tho there is still some difference is all im saying.

and solomyr ur absoultely right, I think I was thinking about the phillistine, not the palestine. Wow I suck at mideast history. I'm gonna emabrass myself again tho. Aren't they the same people?

[Solomyr]

they are/were the same people for the most part. i am no expert on mideast history, and there has been some serious nomad action in the last 2,000 years, but yeah phillistine is the pre-roman name of palestine. actually, come to think of it, i really can't remember "phillistine" referring to the land. always, the Phillistines or Phillistinians, with the land called Cannan. of course, this is not to say that the land was never called Phillistine, i'm just saying there is a hole in my knowledge.

please control the surprise

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


The point remains that most scientists believe that there is probably a single root law that is as yet unknown. And I am saying that that is as much to do with monotheistic culture as it is to do with scientific reasoning.

If we lived in a society where polytheism was more prevalent than monotheism, our science would reflect that, by prefering to believe in option 2.

Actually scientists now believe that there are many universes that each have their own set of rules.
So has science turned polytheistic?

[sabrewolf]

ribannah, that's just another theory, in which just a few scientists believe. the majority still believes in the theories mentioned in an earlier post

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Actually scientists now believe that there are many universes that each have their own set of rules.
So has science turned polytheistic?

The number of scientists who believe in multi-world interpretations are in the exiguous minority. Most follow the Copenhagen Interpretation which procludes multiverses (or at least makes them irrelative)

[XarXo]

"believe, believe"

The truth appear when you UNDERSTAND, not when you "believe". This discuss is sterile and doesn't match with the topic.

[Ribannah]

I don't know about that. I always get the impression that Israel is situated in a different universe .... I don't understand their rules.

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by XarXo
"believe, believe"

The truth appear when you UNDERSTAND, not when you "believe". This discuss is sterile and doesn't match with the topic.

"It doesn't matter what I BELIEVE! I only matters what I can PROVE! So don't tell me what I do or do not know, I know the Law!"
-- A Few Good Men

[gsmoove23]

So many different topics I forgot what \i was going to post

Right, I had always wondered if there was a connection between Phillistines and Palestinians. Everyone always claims the Palestianians didn't exist b4 Yasser Arafat although it seems a moot point since they certainly exist now. I think its important to make a distinction when speaking about Palestinians and suicide bombings. "They" don't carry out terrorist operations but certain Palestinian organisations do. There is a such thing as a moderate Palestinian, although admittedly less and less in the current political atmosphere. This could be because successive Israeli governments have given Palestinians little reason to trust them leaving the moderates with very weak arguments against the more militant. Settlements obviously being one contentious point where the IDF doesn't even have the will to clear up Jewish outposts that are illegal by Israeli law.
And about this collateral damage, does anyone know if it has defined limits? Perhaps if you kill 1 military target for every 10 civilians you're withing the correct parameters. Or is it just if the operation had a 'legitimate' target, then any amount is ok. Or perhaps simply if it is carried out by a recognised military organisation? Has anyone even bothered to wonder? Was Hiroshima acceptable collateral damage?

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Was Hiroshima acceptable collateral damage?

Well, In WW2 it was common practice to bomb large cities, on both sides. They wanted the colateral damage, less people making bombs to do the same thing to them. And there wasn't a huge public outcry either. If you have ever played games such as Warcraft or Starcraft, you know that the best way to win is to cripple their infrastructue (peons or SCVs) It's the same way in Civ. What would you do, run five bombers over a city and then attack, or just attack?
Hiroshima was acceptable, it ended the war quickly, saving huge numbers of Japanese and Allied lives that would have been lost in an assault on Japan. It also showed the world the power of nukes, which has in effect prevented anyone from using them. Imagine if we had not nuked Hiroshima, but after the war had war with Russia, and first used nukes there? Mass destruction everywhere.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Calc II
Didn't bible talk about palestinians having a grand kingdom before they God decided to chase them away and make rom for his chosen people?

No you are thinking of the Cannanites, the Hebrew exodus from Egypt brought them to a land of giants (literally it's recorded these people were on average 7 feet tall and some were recorded at 13 feet, hence the David and Goliath story).

The palestinians never existed until the British mandate of Palestine. Basically a made up word. Now it's a household name.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Actually scientists now believe that there are many universes that each have their own set of rules.
So has science turned polytheistic?

Cathlic, Protestant, baptist....

Now science has its own branches of beliefs