Should Persia be called Iran?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
If we call the Persians Iranians, would we have to call the Babylonians Iraqis?

No; as I pointed out, 'iranian' and 'iran' are old terms that were simply brought into 'official' use again in the 20th Century. Given that Italians call Florence 'Firenze' and Venice 'Venezia', I don't see the problem. If people want Viking cities like Dublin and Limerick called by their Old Norse names, and wish to refer to Munchen and not Munich, then surely the same principle applies here.

[Gangerolf]

But most people don't think of the ancient Persia/Iran when they hear "Iran". And it's the ancient blokes and Xerxes the Persians in Civ3 are supposed to represent.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
But most people don't think of the ancient Persia/Iran when they hear "Iran". And it's the ancient blokes and Xerxes the Persians in Civ3 are supposed to represent.

True; but 'most' people, other than those with a taste for military/European history, seemed to think that the 'conquistador' should have been the Spanish U.U., despite the South and Central American and Spanish posters pointing out again and again that the tercio best represented Spanish military might at the height of its achievement.

The point is, surely, 'Persians' don't call 'Persia' 'Persia'. It really is like referring to the United Provinces or the Netherlands as 'Holland' all the time.

[Beren]

Iran is historicallly more correct. The name the Persians gave to themselves was Iran or something like that. Persian only refers to the language.

[MarkG]

edit: wrong forum

[Dauphin]

Who is 'him'?

[N. Machiavelli]

Originally posted by molly bloom


True; but 'most' people, other than those with a taste for military/European history, seemed to think that the 'conquistador' should have been the Spanish U.U., despite the South and Central American and Spanish posters pointing out again and again that the tercio best represented Spanish military might at the height of its achievement.

The point is, surely, 'Persians' don't call 'Persia' 'Persia'. It really is like referring to the United Provinces or the Netherlands as 'Holland' all the time.

While I don't disagree, it is sadly 'most' people that will purchase the game and subsequently 'most' people that Firaxis must cater to, historical inaccuracies aside.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Yeah, while we're changing "Persia" to "Iran", lets go change "Rome" to "Italy".

[XarXo]

Should Rome be called "Italia" ?

Should Peru/Bolivia/Ecuador be called "Tawantisuyu North/West/South" ?

Shoud be us who asnwers this ?

[TheStinger]

Pesia sound more historical and romantic

[DarkCloud]

Pesia sounds like a urine problem
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Should Peru/Bolivia/Ecuador be called "Tawantisuyu North/West/South"

Probably- but if you just call them the Incas... you can't go wrong there

Should Rome be called "Italia" ?

Heck no- the roman empire was much greater than the Holy Roman Empire AND the Mussolini's Italian empire;' or even Vittorio Emmanuel II's united Italia
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Call the nations what they were known as at their PEAK; not at their present day situation!

[Tassadar500]

Oh ya we should call Persia Iran because Iran is as powerfull now as Persia was in their time.

[gsmoove23]

Iran historically correct? Why? Its historically correct for outsiders to call the Empire Persia just like its correct for us to call Germany Germany. The team at Firaxis should consider these changes for the Farsi edition just like I'm sure Germany is Deutchland in the German edition.

[gsmoove23]

Iwonder if there is a Farsi edition?

[Beren]

Nuclear master, Persia at their highlight called themselves Iran. That's the whole point of this threat. Rome shouldn't be called Italy, because the Romans throughout the whole empire considered themselves as Romans not as Italians, just as the Persians considered themselves as Iranians.
There is a good case to call the civ Persia, but it is not because they were really called that way. Persia refers to the language and is only later used to refer to the country.
But I would agree to call them Persia in the game. Byzantines considered themselves Romans (not as East Romans or as Byzantines.) The only difference is that West Romans considered themselves as Romani (in latin) and East Romans as Romanoi (in Greek). Surely, there is no one who wants to suggest we should have two civs: the Romani and the Romanoi.