Extra Pack: Barbarian Tribes

[Wernazuma III]

I hope this will get a good discussion. Remeber that the total number of tribes has to remain at 76.

Here's my list of barbarian tribes:


Toltec
Chibcha
Cherokee
Anasazi
Mixtec
Olmec
Zapotec
Arawac
Sioux
Apache
Mapuche
Inuit
Navaho
Carib
Saxon
Vandal
Goth
Angle
Magyar
Avar
Serb
Bulgar
Lithuanian
Burgundian
Gepid
Hun
Basque
Marcomanni
Seljuk
Hycsos
Etruscan
Illuryian
Thracian
Phrygian
Croat
Minoan
Mycenian
Cimmerian
Ligurian
Numidian
Hittite
Lydian
Hausa
Armenian
Sumerian
Urartean
Ashanti
Harappan
Mauryan
Parthian
Harappan
Nubian
Aramean
Bactrian
Chaldean
Cuman
Libyan
Kassite
Bantu
Tangut
Wu-Sun
Khazak
Sien-Pi
Thai
Ainu
Polynesian
Aryan
Uygur
Choresmian
Tibetan
Kushan
Yue-Chi
Tocharian
Uzbek
Tartar
Barbarian

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Judging from your list, you seem to use civs that do not make the grade for inclusion in the game - minor civs playing the role of barbarians.

One problem I see is that all of africa is lumped into Libyan and Bantu. The latter comprises hundreds of millions of people and numerous significant civs! Perhaps even a short list of actual african civs would be better, e.g.

Ashanti
Mali
Nubian
Meroe
Ethiopian
etc...

[Wernazuma III]

Hm, if you take a closer look, the Ashanti and Hausa are in. The Ethiopians are actually even one of the 15 additional civs.

[Wernazuma III]

Oh, and not to forget, you overlooked the Nubians, Numidians, Bantu...

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Perhaps I was scrolling down too fast...

[Wernazuma III]

Anyway, I'm sure my list isn't perfect, so keep critique coming

[Ribannah]

Pict
Irish
Frysian
Helvetian
Maltese
Venetian
Berber
Taugari (pl. Tuareg)
Pigmee
Masai
Somalian
Ghanese
Druz
Kurd
Afghan
Tunguz
Viet
Tamil
Maori
Aboriginal
Seminole
Comanche
Hopi
Algonquin
Cheyenne
Cuban
Mexican
(NB Navajo should be Navaho)

[Wernazuma III]

I've changed the Navaho.

Some notes on the other suggestions. I really got to know, which you'd replace with which. As I've said, the total number got to be 76.
As much as I can see, the first 14 are assigned to the "American Culture Group", the next 14 to "European", the next to "Mediterranean". The rest is divided between Mid-East (including Africa) and East Asian, probably with the "Kassite" in my list being the last Mid-Eastern barbarian tribe.


Pict: Instead of Scot? Are they to be preferred?
Irish: Basically Celts
Frysian: Already so many Germanics
Helvetian: Celts
Maltese: Unimportant
Venetian: Maybe. Instead of Croats maybe?
Berber: Instead of Numidians - thinkable
Taugari (pl. Tuareg) - as above
Pigmee - nah
Masai - I've considered them; which should be replaced?
Somalian - nah
Ghanese - Included in Ashanti and Hausa
Druz - too unimportant IMHO
Kurd - maybe, replacing what?
Afghan - nah, not even a single people
Tunguz - really important?
Viet - I don't think they're important enough
Tamil - thought about them, but they again are of little importance, relatively
Maori - included in Polynesians
Aboriginal - nah
Seminole
Comanche
Hopi
Algonquin
Cheyenne - for all of these goes: replacing which other tribes. The odds ratio between North American and South American should not be changed too much
Cuban - nah
Mexican - even less; Aztecs, Mayas and Spanish are enough Mexicans

[DarkCloud]

Since when are armenians barbarian?
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Picts are a bit different from scots... They';re a lot alike, but the picts were the naked people wandering around the north.

Mexicans aren't barbarians, they're a minor tribe.

[Wernazuma III]

Well, actually I understand the "barbarian" list as "minor tribes". After all, the Incas and Mayas were in the original list. just like the Etruscans, Minoans, Phoenicians.

About the Picts: Yes, I know that they're different, but there can be only one minor tribe from Scotland, so I wondered which would be better: Scots or Picts?

[DarkCloud]

Okay, I see.
I would say Picts... Mostly because I prefer them.
But if you want the more important one (at least from a bit before William Wallace, I'd pick the Scots... as the Picts didn't last long into the middle ages )

[Wernazuma III]

What am I thinking, the Scots are Celts, so they're already in the game! (kind of) Are PictsCelts? That would change the whole thing, then I'd prefer them 100 times.

[ranskaldan]

Picts aren't Celts.
"Illuryian" should be "Illyrian".
"Khazak" should be "Kazakh".

For consistency's sake, all Chinese cities, tribe names, leader names etc should be in pinyin. Thus:
Yue-Chi > Yuezhi
Sien-Pi > Xianbei

Tocharian = Yuezhi (afaik). You can use "Khitan" instead, a major pain for China during the Northern Song Dynasty.

also, "Aryan" is a weird name for a barbarian tribe since they eventually ended up as the North Indians. You can substitute for the "Yi", a catch-all name for most of the tribes south of China.

[Wernazuma III]

ranskaldan: I've made some changes to the barbarian list, especially the typos and changing Sien-Pi and Yue-Chi to your spelling. Still thinking a bit about the others. Thanks anyway

[TacticalGrace]

bantu is a general classification not a specific people

there was never a tribe called the bantu.

Bantu isn't really a race at all but a classification of a group of african languages (including zulu).

Bantu just means "the people". So in south africa you have the languages English (language of settlers from the British Empire), Afrikaans (language of the Dutch settlers) and the bantu languages (languages of the people)

Definition of Bantu:
"group of African languages forming a subdivision of the Benue-Niger division of the Niger-Congo branch of the Niger-Kordofanian language family (see African languages). Bantu contains hundreds of languages that are spoken by 120 million Africans in the Congo Basin, Angola, the Republic of South Africa, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania, and Kenya. The word Bantu means “the people” and is made up of the stem -ntu (“person”) and the plural prefix ba-. 1
The total number of Bantu languages is uncertain. The most important is Swahili (see Swahili language), spoken as a first language by more than 30 million people, chiefly in Kenya, Tanzania, Congo (Kinshasa), and Uganda. As the chief trade language of E Africa, it is understood by perhaps an additional 20 million. Other significant Bantu languages include Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho, and Setswana, which are spoken respectively by 9 million, 7 million, 5 million, and 4 million persons, all living in South Africa, Lesotho, and Botswana; Makua and Thonga, the languages respectively of 4 million and 3 million people, chiefly in Mozambique; Bemba, the language of over 3 million in Zambia and Congo (Kinshasa); Shona, with 8 million speakers in Zimbabwe and Mozambique; Kikuyu, native to 6 million in Kenya; Ganda, the language of 4 million in Uganda; Ruanda, spoken by 8 million in Rwanda, Uganda, and Congo (Kinshasa); Rundi, the language of 6 million in Burundi and Congo (Kinshasa); Mbundu, native to 6 million in Angola; Luba, with 7 million speakers in Congo (Kinshasa); Kongo, the language of 4 million in Congo (Brazzaville), Congo (Kinshasa), and Angola; and Lingala, spoken by 6 million in Congo (Kinshasa). "