Carribian UU?

[Inverse Icarus]

I was joing around with my friend (of half puerto rican descent) and i inadvertently came up with a PREFECT UU for the puerto rican / cuban / mexican / etc civ: the raftateer. a worker that can go on ocean squares, and merge with other civs cities, bringing corruption, waste, and unhappiness. their citizens in other cities would grow uncontrollably, regaurdless of food or aquaducts, and they would all maintain their nationality, making culture flipping an easy task, as they outnumber the rightful heirs to the country.

[Carver]

I hope all Apolytoners realize this is the exact oppossite of reality. Immigrants have brought greater economic efficiency and higher standards of living to the developed nations. Europe's anti-immigrant wave is curious in that, without more immigrants the European economies will die for lack of labour. Similarly, in the US, where immigrants perform all the jobs that "the rightful heirs to the country" don't want to perform.

Thank God for boat people.

[Inverse Icarus]

i'd also like to poitn out this was just in jest, i make fun of his puerto-rican-ness, and he calls me a polack so it evens out

don't take ir the wrong way

[DarkCloud]

What about the Shaman unit
The Rastafarian's and the Voodo pracitcers
Perhaps for a small modpack of the caribbean.

You can have the True Voodo versus the Christains versus the Christian Voodo Practicioners versus the Rastafarians

[petey]

Or the Caribbean special unit could be the drug runner which brings in all the good Jamaican ganja.

Any city it's placed in gets an increase in happiness, but the production drops like a rock.

[Pythagoras]

Originally posted by Carver
I hope all Apolytoners realize this is the exact oppossite of reality. Immigrants have brought greater economic efficiency and higher standards of living to the developed nations. Europe's anti-immigrant wave is curious in that, without more immigrants the European economies will die for lack of labour. Similarly, in the US, where immigrants perform all the jobs that "the rightful heirs to the country" don't want to perform.

Thank God for boat people.

Labor is becoming globalized. We outsource our manufacturing to nations with cheap labor (for better or worse). How many people do you know that work in factorys anymore? Developed nations are becoming service economys and the world economy is becoming globalized. Hence I dont think it matters very much any more.

About the UU, I dont like it. Not only is it subtly stereotypical, it goes against another stereotype: Jamaicans are hard workers. That they hold like 20 jobs at once. Plus it would probably be impossible to implement in the game. Maybe their UU would be a slaver. All nations were heavily involved in the sugar industry, and slavery in these areas was harsh and there was tons of demand. Slavers could move around teh map, nationality invisible (but not the unit) and when they defeat/capture a unit, that unit turns into a worker unit. Concievably they could enslave barbarians or any unit. Maybe they should just go around and capture workers...

[godinex]

Point.

[spy14]

Originally posted by Carver
I hope all Apolytoners realize this is the exact oppossite of reality. Immigrants have brought greater economic efficiency and higher standards of living to the developed nations. Europe's anti-immigrant wave is curious in that, without more immigrants the European economies will die for lack of labour. Similarly, in the US, where immigrants perform all the jobs that "the rightful heirs to the country" don't want to perform.

Thank God for boat people.

90% of the immigrants are here to leech, thats why they risk death running through the channel tunnel to get to britains benefits rather than stay and work in france, where they get next to nothing. And the huge strain on the welfare system, coupled with the spiralling crime rate, is why people are staging a backlash. Some of them are good for the labour shortage, its just a pity the majority are destroying that. Translating this real world scenario into the game though would be a interesting feature, more corruption and maybe even race riots.

[trevor]

Originally posted by Pythagoras


Maybe their UU would be a slaver. All nations were heavily involved in the sugar industry, and slavery in these areas was harsh and there was tons of demand. Slavers could move around teh map, nationality invisible (but not the unit) and when they defeat/capture a unit, that unit turns into a worker unit. Concievably they could enslave barbarians or any unit. Maybe they should just go around and capture workers...

That sounds very familiar, oh wait CTP & CTP2 had slavers that did the same thing. BTW, sort of funny but very, very politicly incorrect.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by Carver
I hope all Apolytoners realize this is the exact oppossite of reality. Immigrants have brought greater economic efficiency and higher standards of living to the developed nations. Europe's anti-immigrant wave is curious in that, without more immigrants the European economies will die for lack of labour. Similarly, in the US, where immigrants perform all the jobs that "the rightful heirs to the country" don't want to perform.

Thank God for boat people.

God help us.

America has at least eleven MILLION illegal imigrants in this country and they still pour in.

Overseas passports, and "student visas", are a joke and ridiculously easy to get.

Legal immigration has been at absurdly high rates since it started in 1965.

Never has America seen anything like this sort of MASS Open Dor immigration. In the past, periods of immigration were sporadic with time off for assimilation.

Terrorists and drug dealers know how easy it still is to get into America whose security has been and was undermined by the pro=-Immigration fanatics. Of the 19 Muslims who took out the WTC 17 were illegal aliens who had previously entered this country legally.

The INS and Border Patrol still are an inept incompetent jokes.

Not only is American security being undermined by this insanity our culture is too. America is becoming a Tower of Babel; another Balkans.

When my great-grandparents came to America they had a sponsor, a job waiting for them, they went through a health check, and got no goverment handouts. They wanted to become Americans, not just make a buck to mail it home overseas.Today we see hordes of illegal Guatemalans and the like living illegally twenty to a house in suburbia loitering around streetcorners looking for day work, as Americans population skyrockets and its standard of living drops. And when a horde of Guatemalans moves in next duor in your home out on Long Island YOU BET property values crash.

You know your culture in America is being undermined when the street lights that used to say "Go" and "Stop" are being replaced by images of a figure walking and a hand because do many can't - and WON'T - read English.

Immigration? Enough is enough, for awhile.

[Dauphin]

If it isn't PC, it won't get into the game.

[Dr. Nick]

Shut up you Polack!

[Kramerman]

I like the vodo witch idea,
or how about the "El Chupicabre ".
That would be great!
A little green guy running around, killing livestalk.
*sigh* Maybe in Civilaization 7.

Kman

[KrazyHorse]

Of the 19 Muslims who took out the WTC 17 were illegal aliens who had previously entered this country legally

This is incorrect. IIRC, the number of those whose visas had either expired or were nonexistent was closer to 5.

[Verto]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Of the 19 Muslims who took out the WTC 17 were illegal aliens who had previously entered this country legally

This is incorrect. IIRC, the number of those whose visas had either expired or were nonexistent was closer to 5.

Can't verify or refute that fact, but I can heartily agree with the rest of what Coracle said.

I have lived in TX my entire life(amazing I can speak and type in proper english, isn't it?) and I have seen the effects of illegal immigration first hand. Now, I will not say all the Hispanics living in TX are illegal, but the majority are.

Not only is this a drain on our government where these criminals, for that is what they are, live off hard-working citizens, it disrupts the legal immigration policy.

When these criminals come into the US, that means that many people who have been on a waiting list to move to the US legally will have to wait. And wait..and wait...

I for one am sick of instructions and the like in Spanish, German, French and Spanish, then finally English.

Was there resentment/anger/hatred against the immigrants coming here from Europe? Some, of course, but not as much as there is against Hispanics. And I don't believe it is because they are not Europeans. It is because they come here illegally, do not try to learn English, are satisfied living on welfare, and generally do not put much back in the system.

I am afraid that, having survived the War of Independence, the Civil War and both world wars, America's greatest threat is within.

The reforms involving the INS are long overdue.

I know this is OT, but I feel that America is constantly being criticized by people who really don't know what they are talking about, because there is more to the US than what you read in history books and the newspaper. Someone said the carribbean UU was a stereotype: so are cowboys, Americans who have no grasp or geography, etc. And I also feel that many other nations are criticized by people who don't have all the facts, and probably don't want them.

Now, call me a racist, a bigot, and say what you will about America, but this is my opinion based on first hand experiences - not what I read in a history book.