Iroquois aren't important enough to be in Civ3

[Pius Popprasch]

Neve more than 1 million people, without cities and having researched some ancient techs at best are the Iroquois deserving to be in the game?

[Tingkai]

Here we go again. I think we've had this thread a dozen times before.

[Pius Popprasch]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Here we go again. I think we've had this thread a dozen times before.

Show me the other poll! I actually replaced the Lincoln-Americans with the Iroquois. So it is different.

[Ribannah]

How many million people lived in Greece at the time of their rule?

The size of Iroquois towns (up to 4,000 people) was the same as standard European towns at the time. And note that back then even London was entirely made of wood, a fact that did not escape the population when the fire broke out ...

How many non-ancient techs did Babylon research?

The Iroquois discovered constititional Democracy and had advanced agriculture (the Three Sisters system) and war tactics, all before the start of their Golden Age. For a long time they had more skilled Musketmen than any other power in North America.

[Ribannah]

By the way, your 'poll' is flawed, since the option 'Yes, because they were the main civilization in the region' or some such is missing.

[dunk]

I think there are too many European civs in the game.

Romans
Greeks
English
French
Germans
Russians

It could be Romans or Greeks. I would prefer Greeks.

English, French, and Germans... Just one please. They're all Germanic tribes anyway.

The Iriquois should definately be in there.

Where are the Inca? Where are the Turks? How about Polyponesians? Why not the Amazons or something, so South America can have a couple? I would prefer a more diverse selection. Just my opinion.

[Herr David]

*g*

They're thrown together from 6000 years of human history, recorded only by the victors and viewed from a European perspective. Whaddaya expect? It's a game not my doctoral thesis... And it's fun

[civman2000]

None of the Above. Yes because they were a long-lasting nation, one of the most civilized native american tribes, and 60% of the basis for the US government

[muppet]

This is a strange poll. Heavily biased.

The two 'YES' votes are at least a little insulting. A real 'yes' vote doesn't exist.

The two 'NO' votes simply can not be true. It is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. Neither 'NO' option is valid.

Was this poll designed in jest? You could at least throw in a smiley or two so that newbie Native American Apolyton visitors don't get offended.

[MqsTout]

I happen to be from the area that was the heart of the Iroquois nation, and have learned through my years many various pieces of their history, culture and achievements. I live actually only 2 hours from Salamanca (which, sadly, has gone the way of most 'reservations' - tax-free fuel and cigarettes) and am disappointed that there is so little mention of the Iroquois in history texts. They were major players in early America (the two wars, "French and Indian" and the American Revolution) and, as it has been mentioned above, were a strong basis for the American government.

(A common Americanism, "to be on the warpath" comes from Iroquois customs, too!)

[civman2000]

Originally posted by muppet
The two 'YES' votes are at least a little insulting. A real 'yes' vote doesn't exist.

The two 'NO' votes simply can not be true. It is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. Neither 'NO' option is valid.

Definitely true...not only were they large, civilized farmers, but also a role model for european settlers and especially the american rebels (not meaning to have a negative connotation...)... in the boston tea party the people did not dress up as indians and particularly iroquois as a disguise, but because they were a symbol of liberty!

[Dauphin]

They deserve to be called a civilization, but there are more important civilizations that should be in the game.

[civman2000]

hmmm...maybe, like spain or turkey or something, but another american civ is needed, and the only choices would be iroquois, sioux, and incas...and then remember that firaxis wanted to have canada, the us, and mexico in the game...

The best solution to all of this would definitely have been to have more civs overall...

[Beren]

Agreed.
But that doesn't solve the problem. Even if you'd put about 200 civs in the game, the Birmese start complaining they're not in the game and think they're more important than something like Sioux, Cheyenne or other Indian tribe.

It would of course be cool to start on a huge map with say 30 civs and that gradually new ones appear. Maybe on a tiny map would be even cooler.

[Dauphin]

Thats where CtP came into its own, you could choose which civs you wanted to in any given game. (Replacement) Slots were then provided for additional civs.