A better UU for the Chinese?

[Optimizer]

I am making an all-encompassing modpack, and I wonder whether there is a better alternative for a Chinese unique unit than the rider. Suggestions?

[Ironikinit]

They have one of the best there is already. Any unit that can move three gives the player a big advantage.

[Optimizer]

The Rider is indeed good in the gameplay, but I would like something more historically interesting.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Can UUs do anything apart from fight? I always envisioned that the Chinese UU would be something diplomatically oriented - all that Confucian Bureaucratic Infrastructure!

[Tingkai]

What about something based on Chinese martial arts?

[Beren]

Originally posted by Tingkai
What about something based on Chinese martial arts?

Wouldn't that be more likely for the Japanese?

[Coracle]

Originally posted by Beren


Wouldn't that be more likely for the Japanese?

No, martial arts can be found in various Far Eastern countires.

Tae Kwon Do is Korean; Kung Fu Chinese, Aikido is Japanese, etc.

The Rider is likely the best choice for a Chinese unit and would be typical of T'ang Dynasty military in the 8th Century.

[Inverse Icarus]

the reason for changing the Chinese UU would most prominently be that the rider would be made into the MONGOL UU in some sort of XP. The chinese were the first people to use gunpowder, correct? i saw some history channel special on ancient chinese "rockets" that launched large sharp tipped arrows at targets, that pierced wood and severly dented strong metals.

perhaps they could have an upgraded cannon? with a higher Rate of fire or Bombard attack?

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
Can UUs do anything apart from fight? I always envisioned that the Chinese UU would be something diplomatically oriented - all that Confucian Bureaucratic Infrastructure!

no, UUs are for fighting only. unlike civ3, there are no diplomats / spies in the game, so essentially every unit is for fighting or transporting.

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[SpencerH]

The chinese used flame throwers quite early on. That could be a pretty interesting ancient UU (high offense low defense). A converted catapult could provide the graghic.

[Jethro83]

The Chu Ko Nu crossbowman... like in AOE2. An ingenius type of crossbow that can rapidly fire volley after volley of crossbow bolts. It was perhaps one of the first weapons to use magazines to hold ammunition. Perhaps it could be a longbow with improved defence (how could you continue advancing on someone firing such a rapid volley of bolts?)

[Coracle]

Originally posted by LordAzreal
The Chu Ko Nu crossbowman... like in AOE2. An ingenius type of crossbow that can rapidly fire volley after volley of crossbow bolts. It was perhaps one of the first weapons to use magazines to hold ammunition. Perhaps it could be a longbow with improved defence (how could you continue advancing on someone firing such a rapid volley of bolts?)

I've already made Longbowmen 4.3.1 (as they should be) with a higher shield cost, plus I made them English UU; everyone else got crossbowmen instead.

I don't know what values you'd give to the Chu Ko Nu crossbowman, unless they'd be like regular crossbowmen but with a bombardment capability when attacked. (?).

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by Coracle


I've already made Longbowmen 4.3.1 (as they should be) with a higher shield cost, plus I made them English UU; everyone else got crossbowmen instead.

There's a good idea.

I don't know what values you'd give to the Chu Ko Nu crossbowman, unless they'd be like regular crossbowmen but with a bombardment capability when attacked. (?).

Hmmm... if the longbow already has increased defence, then maybe the Chu Ko Nu could have increased attack. Of course, this would make them the Persian Immortal of the Middle ages. Slow, lacking defence, but killer attack.

I don't really see how any type of crossbow (other than a ballista) could have bombardment capability.

[Optimizer]

Thanks, I think I will use the Chu Ko Nu if I find some good graphics.

[Lord Merciless]

The current Chinese UU is good in my opinion, except that its name sucks. The word "Tieqi", or Iron Knight in English, has always been used to describe elite cavalry in Chinese history. I would replace Rider with Tieqi.