Stop the America-bashing!

[siredgar]

Whoa, LordDread! Them sound like fightin' words to me! Hehe. Pretty badass of you to just come out and tell it like it is.

After hearing all this WWII and Soviet Union ranting from Serb and other anti-U.S. B/S, I think the tide has turned in this thread. Go, USA!

[sargon2]

Originally posted by siredgar
After hearing all this WWII and Soviet Union ranting from Serb and other anti-U.S. B/S, I think the tide has turned in this thread. Go, USA!

Serb is just holding up his country and its history, and in many points I think he is right. To you it is anti-american or even directly spoken terroristic, at least supporting terrorism. Let's bomb Russia for Serbs posts.


By the way, that Iran is supplying the Palestanian Authority with weappons doesen't seem to me terroristic, it is just against Israel to support the independence movement but not terroristical. And the hezbollah is fighting israel troops and border and shoot from time to time a rocket israel-bound, it is the biggest dream of the Palestines to exchange this intesity of beeing attacked.

[siredgar]

I don't think I'd ever suggest bombing Russia because they have plenty of bombs, too. So, please don't put words in my mouth, thank you.

As for Iran, they support terrorism in other ways besides supplying arms to the Palestinians. Anyhow, I never labeled this action as "terrorist" or even talked about it. You read too much between the lines, my friend. I think a lot of you seem to make assumptions about Americans without knowing the facts anyhow.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by siredgar
Is this is an apology, Sagacious Dolphin? =)

You did call us "arrogant" after all.

I was using it as a term of endearment.

Well actually.... My earlier spiel was just a bit of sarcasm. I forgot Americans have yet to master that concept.

Don't know what Sagacious Dolphin wants to say

Often I don't either.

[~Vodka~]

OK, I tryed to be reasonable. I tryed to use diplomacy but... I know why you "flame" us Beren. Its because you Germans don't have any more jews to "flame" (meaning: burn in an oven). Dolphin, you are the most arrogant son of a b*tch in this. You act like you are the smartest mother f*cker.

You f*ckers wanna get in a bash war, lets go. Got beef?

[siredgar]

Have you been drinking?

[lorddread]

Nation Bashing

Although I am not sure what OT forum is, can we get back to the game forum here.

For everyones sake can we agree that:

Russia was a powerful nation and can be again with a little worl.

China has the makings if they can get out from under Communism

The Iroquois, while no longer a viable nation, belong in Civ3

Germany has a good military

France looks good in pink (I always think of them that way)

Israel has the right to defend itself.

And no one here is better than anyone else!


KATN

[SpencerH]

Re: WWII for the Record

Originally posted by lorddread

3. When the T-34 / 85 came into production it was the best ALLIED tank. The Tiger and Panthers were a match for it.

A match, gun and armor-wise, but not in terms of speed, maneuver, and numbers (ease of manufacture).

While Gudarian may have gone to school in Russia, the tactics he used were based on General Sherman (US Civil War fame) and modified for modern armor and vehicles.

Its been many years since I read it, but gudarian cites Capt. Liddle Hart (as do others) as the concept source of the modern use of tanks.

Also for the record, while everyone (men and women) fought in Russia, they also killed a lot of their own people. Stalin (like Hitler) got too involved in the war. Hence the debacle at Stalingrad.

I think it is overly simplistic to blame the loss at Stalingrad on Hitler. One may argue that there were more important objectives than Stalingrad and that von Paulus should have been allowed to retreat, but IMO the German army lost at Stalingrad because it was beaten by a better opponent, the Red Army under Zhukov.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by ~Vodka~
OK, I tryed to be reasonable. I tryed to use diplomacy but... I know why you "flame" us Beren. Its because you Germans don't have any more jews to "flame" (meaning: burn in an oven). Dolphin, you are the most arrogant son of a b*tch in this. You act like you are the smartest mother f*cker.

You f*ckers wanna get in a bash war, lets go. Got beef?

Quote the things you find arrogant, I will then explain why I said them.

If you are specifically refering to this:

Typical Americans are stupid, ignorant teenagers who spend all day typing illiterately on forum websites about how crappy the rest of the world is (i.e Alaska and Hawaii, as there is nowhere else, is there?) and mumbling about Hitler and how they saved Yurop's ass.

It was a parody. Sarcasm. If you read the previous two posts to it, you will see the context.

[CRAZY]

Just a little note on American history. Altho most american people are great and have nothing to do with what it government decides to do there are some things maybe they should think about.

First of all America was built at the expense of many other people. Mainly the black slaves from Africa.

You talk of modern American economic domination... main reason for this is thier late entry into WW2. you hear sensationalized stories of Pearl harbour and how Americans saved everyone.. they were only able to do this because they stayed out of the war and watched everyone else die. Then at the end of the war brought all the German techology to the US.

I am not trying to bash americans but the aggorance of the american government. I find these facts a bit humbling.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by CRAZY
First of all America was built at the expense of many other people. Mainly the black slaves from Africa.

Merde!

[lorddread]

I REALLY hate to do this, but....



Before any other smug, foriegn SOB decides to tell me how bad my country is, let us set the record straight right here, right now, shall we?

Slavery is not an American invention. Most of the slaves brought to the "New World" were brought here by Europeans. It wasn't until the early middle of the 19th century (around 1830-1860's) that Americans took over. Nations that were hip deep in the slave trade were: Holland, Spain, Italy, some English captains and of course some African nations.

Another overlooked fact is that most Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans as a result of tribal warfare!

Now to completely destroy the notion that slaves built theN US economy. Slavery was for the most part only used in the south, were labor was in short supply. It was used in the cotton, tobacco and grain fields. The US economy (factory base) was built by the Irish, Italians and other immergrants who worked their asses off not slaves. I will not say that they made good money or their working conditions were the best, but I have been to places today in Europe and Aisa where conditions are not the best today.

Anyone who needs a further history lesson can feel free to respond!

[siredgar]

I agree with lorddread.

Slavery alone did not build America and it is the Europeans who really introduced it here anyhow. They're the ones who truly profited from the trade, not us. Regardless, it is quite pitiful that any European would criticize an American on this matter when we abolished slavery in the 19th Century, while you people continued to maintain colonies in Africa until the end of World War II (when you could no longer keep the Africans down).

While slavery is a tragic episode in U.S. history, it should not be solely our legacy but a shared one.

[Whoha]

dont feed the trolls ppl.

[Beren]

Originally posted by siredgar
Iran needs to stop supporting terrorism. Period. Regardless, it will have to go a long way before the U.S. even considers re-establishing ties with it. Iran would be an incredible strategic ally in the Middle East and there are few that do not recognize this. However, we have been burned (literally) by the Iranians before, so we don't have to do anything to make the first gesture. We hold all the cards anyhow.

Look, I must be stupid: what terrorism does Iran support?

If you are reffering to helping the Palestinines I can go for that. (What I think is, BTW, an understandable decission.) But there is no evidence at all for any other support for terror.