APOLYTON EXTRACIVS PACK.

[Rosacrux]

Boys, boys... this ranting is unwanted here, there are appropriate threads to prattle about Jingoism, anglosaxon imperialism and the likes. This thread exists for creative purposes.

Locutus

I wish to back Ecthelion's suggestion about the German UU - a Prussian rifleman would make more sense to me and it would put Germany into a different perspective. IMNSHO that is.

And... if you need any more helping hands with the writing of civilizations histories, sorting out leaders, cities etc. etc. I am into history and creative writing and I have many, many sources (and know where to find more).

I'd volunteer for the Byzantines but - frankly - I don't think they'l make it to the Apolyton pack, so I am open to suggestions.

[pithorr]

Originally posted by LoD
Locutus: Sure, here's a smaller-sized version of Polish history:

We appeared in 966. Immediately we started kicking everyone else's ass, until 1795, when we found our ass being kicked by Russia, Prussia and Austria. We finally kicked back in 1918, and soon after, in 1920, we kicked the Soviet ass. They returned the favor, with Nazi assistance, by kicking our ass in 1939. Then, after 1945 we found our asses under the Communist boot. Finally, we kicked the asses of our commies in 1989.

In short, Polish history kicks ass.

by oriel 94
My own ideal list of 'civilizations' is as follows (some of the names - marked '?' - are in draft form but they represent the essential idea). Some are modern, some are ancient, and some are both:

West Europeans (French, Germans, Spaniards, Italians etc) ?
East Europeans (mostly the modern slavic countries) ?
Anglosphere (Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, NZers) ?
Sub-Saharan Africans ?
Latin Americans ?
Arabs
Chinese
Indians
Japanese
Romans
Greeks
Persians
Babylonians/Sumerians ?
Hebrews/Jews/Israelites ?
Egyptians
Meso-Americans (Aztecs, Incas etc) ?

Yeap. It's what we used to mean as civilization.
One excuse:
I would differ European civ into: Celtic, Slavic, Latin and Germanic ones and add Greek of course.

[Mankind]

Locutus: Sure, here's a smaller-sized version of Polish history:

We appeared in 966. Immediately we started kicking everyone else's ass, until 1795, when we found our ass being kicked by Russia, Prussia and Austria. We finally kicked back in 1918, and soon after, in 1920, we kicked the Soviet ass. They returned the favor, with Nazi assistance, by kicking our ass in 1939. Then, after 1945 we found our asses under the Communist boot. Finally, we kicked the asses of our commies in 1989.

In short, Polish history kicks ass.

ok maybe i can help too with that "Polish project"...

[LoD]

Mankind: You can start by following this link .

Locutus: Could you provide with some info on how are the civ graphics layed out (actually sample files extremely welcome)?

LoD

[Locutus]

El Awrence, Jaybee et al,
Well, I deliberately tried to add a bit of humour to the polls, as I hoped it would prevent the flame-warish situation that developed in Fresno's poll on the US (too many trolls and people with too much pride around here - no offense). I can assure you it wasn't my intention to insult anyone, I apologize if I did. That Mexico/Brazil remark was more intended to make fun of the arrogance of some Americans and other westerners than to insult any Latinos. I guess I could have formulated it more obviously and less disrespectful. Rest assured, I will refrain from using anymore humour in future polls (just don't accuse me of being boring ).

You can't really blame me though: one of the resaons why it's great to be Dutch is because 'You get to insult people and defend yourself by saying it's a national tradition.' (Just let me know if you want to hear the other 9 reasons )

PMLF,
Well, Europe and Asia were never really colonized on a large scale so I saw no point in mentioning them and Africa, well, what great civilization ever came out of colonial Africa? South Africa perhaps but that's already covered under the 'etc' of 'British colonies'... (and there's always the 'other' option).

Rosacrux (and all),
We'll definitely have a poll about a possible new German UU. Does anyone know any other units that could possibly serve as a German UU (always good to have more options)?

As far as other civs go, there's still a number of civs from the top 16 of the poll that don't have threads to discuss their properties and history. Thesen are the Koreans (they have a thread but it's more a flame war than a discussion of their properties, the useful info needs to be filtered from it and collected in a new thread), the Portuguese, the Ethiopians, the Inca (Wernazuma said he'd work something out but it has been a while). Help with this from you or anyone would be appreciated (BTW, those threads are mainly about discussing options, not about making decisions - yet).

LoD, I'm not sure what you mean. Could you refrase the question?

Guys,
I want to start some threads on UUs real soon so any graphics people can start working on them when they have the time (without having to wait for us endlessly to finally make some decisions). I propose the following polls but I'd like to know if any of you have ideas for more options (or if my options are a particularly bad idea):

Germans:
* keep the Panzer
* Prussian Riflemen (is that the name we want to go with?)
* other

Spanish:
* Spanish Galleon
* Tercios
* Conquistador
* other

Mongol:
* some sort of Siege Weapon
* Horse Archer
* Composite Bowman
* reuse the Rider and give the Chinese a different unit (FE Crossbowman)
* other

Chinese:
* keep the Rider
* keep the Rider but rename it
* (regular) Crossbowman
* Chu-Ko-Nu (repeating Crossbow)
* other

Arab:
* Dervish
* Xebec
* Mameluke
* other

[Plan Austral]

Hey Locutus

The people that want to see
latin american countries
are winning.

[Gangerolf]

Does anyone know any other units that could possibly serve as a German UU (always good to have more options)?

Check out this thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26028

Mark L suggests U-Boat, Grenadier, Teutonic Knight and Stuka.

[History Guy]

LoD:

Yes, the Polish did a lot of good stuff, including at one point saving the whole of Europe (and I am not exaggerating) on Sept. 11th, 1683, when they booted the Muslim Armies out of Vienna. Recently I saw some of the armor that was worn when the Polish knights defeated the Muslim attack, and they are very interesting to see. There are long feathered wings that were stuck into the back of the armor to create the illusion that the knights were actually flying across the land like archangels to defeat the enemy.

[History Guy]

What would the Arab Capital be? And who would be the leader? Suleiman? Saladin? Prince Fisel? Mohammed Ali? ;-)

[MarkG]

locutus, i'm still waiting for the report of yours

[Locutus]

Kublai,
I'm afraid not Kublai, they may get a lot of votes in that 'America' poll but the only poll that really counts is the Expansion Pack Civs one. I did some preliminary calculations yesterday and even all Latin American civs together don't have enough points to be included in the ExtraCivs Pack...

Gangerolf,
Thanks for the tip, great ideas

Markos,
Heh, It ain't my fault the site was down an entire day overloaded the days before that But you'll probably get your report later tonight, tomorrow at the very latest.

[PMLF]

Turks (Ottomans)

characteristics: militaristic and religious
Head of state : Suleyman the Magnificent (title: Sultan)
Special Unit: Janizaries (an improved musketmen)


Cities: Istanbul (Constantinople), Edirne, Bursa, Konya, Ankara, Trabzon, Antakya, Erzurum, Van, etc...

[PMLF]

Originally posted by Locutus

Well, I deliberately tried to add a bit of humour to the polls, as I hoped it would prevent the flame-warish situation that developed in Fresno's poll on the US (too many trolls and people with too much pride around here - no offense). I can assure you it wasn't my intention to insult anyone, I apologize if I did. That Mexico/Brazil remark was more intended to make fun of the arrogance of some Americans and other westerners than to insult any Latinos. I guess I could have formulated it more obviously and less disrespectful. Rest assured, I will refrain from using anymore humour in future polls (just don't accuse me of being boring ).

* other

IMO, Brazil, Mexico and all Latin-America are a part of Western World, because most of the population speaks Europeans languages, are christians and their focus is the Euro/US culture.

[LoD]

Locutus: I was asking for the format and the layout of the civ-specific files, eg. how are the portraits stored (whether in a single file or several ones), in what graphic format, how are the unique unit sounds stored etc. Now I had received a general description of this from szoszon, however, a detailed list would still be much appreciated.
(note: of course my previous post contained a typo: "actually" should be "actual")

History Guy: Great to hear you recognise the critical importance of Polish forces during the battle of Vienna . BTW, the formation which wore the armor you described, the hussars, are currently winning in the poll for the unique unit of the Poles (90% of total votes have been casted on them, to be exact).

LoD

[JamesJKirk]

AFAIK, it'd be more appropriate to give arabs a pre-gunpowder UU, as their golden age was pre-gunpowder, at least for infantry.
I definitely feel Germany's UU should be from 18th-19th Centurys, or WWII, although the former is more leader-appropriate, as discussed on the other thread (Although I guess F-15s and Abe Lincoln don't go all that well together)

History Guy, out of curiosity, was that place you saw the Hussar armor the Sovietski Collection catalogue? I got one the other day and on the second or so page there's a picture of it.

I would vote against generic regional civs, as it would just feel too fake. Although I am for regional balance for a world map-type situation, although I'd be at a loss to really put my heart behind an Oceania-Polynesian one. But I think one or two Latin-American civs would be preferable to empty-space in South America (that is if it's ever possible to have real starting locations for civs ) I think Inca, and maybe Brazil or Argentina would be best.

I don't think it would be too bad (visually or in difficult) to import CTP I/II graphics into the game, they're the right type of units, and they already have all the important animations, and I believe the Civ3 graphics are kept in .flc movie files, right?