Why does the game favor 1 civ over the others?

[player1]

Hmm, who would buy panzer if there is a superior Modern tank for +20% cost.
Hmm, who would buy f-15 for bombard missions, if stelth fighter is better -5% of detection (you would still use f-15 for intercepting tasks).

[DonJoel]

Hmm, who would buy f-15 for bombard missions, if stelth fighter is better -5% of detection (you would still use f-15 for intercepting tasks).

Since the computer doesnt seems to use air superiority. and it only seems to work when attacking cities anyway. In my opinion the f-15 is extremely good. i see no reason for it to stay forever.

[ntyatecafe]

Re: Re: American Golden Age in BC time period

Originally posted by adaMada


same here -- got my golden age early on (not sure why, but probably because I built a wonder or discovered something or something).

For someone to NOT get their golden age by that late in the game -- well, it'd be pretty hard. By that time, the civilization would be so crippled anyway (because of all the things you'd have to NOT get) -- well, it just wouldn't work out -- that Civ would be so weak then, it wouldn't matter, if it even could build space ships...

-- adaMada

Same thing happened to me...didn't catch the year, but I was playing America, and got my golden age somewhere in the BC years. (Course that didn't help...the Aztecs still wiped me out before I got to the industrial age...but that was my first game)

[Pythagoras]

This game has a modern age? My legionaires would beg to differ

Anyway dont worry about it, everything that happens after the retirement date is all mere speculation screwing around anyway. And how would you propose Firaxis fix this anyway? Oh! its 2050, game over, to keep playing, the UN requires turn over your F15s can be converted to inferior craft to preserve the balance of power! sorry! and the spaceship thing isnt a big deal if everyone building one has their golden age in the modern age. In fact thanks for that little strategy, I didnt think about it.

The other thing is lots of people argue that the F15 is useless because it comes in too late in the game to mean anything. I mean the first 1/4 of the game is the most important part of the game, any bonus then in your initial REXing and military expansion is always more helpful. Also, try conquering a big modern civ all cultured up with factorys spitting out mech inf by the gallon, then start a new game and try expanding and conquering uncultured fledgling new civs. I can almost gurantee you conquest will be easier in the latter case and have a much larger effect down the line if you can consolidate your cultural and military grasp. So my jag warriors and legions can make a biig difference in the rigid borders of the modern era.

[Peoux]

There are only two ways to trigger a Golden Age - and you only get one single Golden Age per game. Winning a battle against an AI (not the barbarians) with your Unique Unit is one way, the other is building a wonder or wonders that together have the traits of your civilization. For the Americans this means they would more or less have to avoid building wonders if they want to have their Golden Age timed to the Space Race as you claim - and frankly I have a hard time believing that a Golden Age that late will help you win the game if you've "avoided" (read: failed) building wonders until then ;-)
What's more, since fighter planes like the F15 are not regular units that you move to attack other units with, are they even capable of triggering a Golden Age? Air Superiority doesn't work yet so I doubt anyone would have had a chance to see that happen anyway, but I doubt that a bombing mission would count as winning a battle since air strikes can not kill a unit, only hurt them down to one hit point.

Like so many already have stated, it seems to me it is better to have the Golden Age earlier in the game anyway. The wonders triggering this makes it hard to time it in any case, and the wonders are usually what triggers the Golden Age if you are playing a civ with a late-game UU. I believe it may have a much bigger effect on your progress if you achieve a Golden Age while your UU is a unit that makes a difference: You will be able to produce lots more of them and will be able to go rampant attacking, if that is your forte; you can build wonders faster during those years, research faster and make more money - all this much more important earlier than it is later. By the time you are in the modern age, you should be researching techs once every 4 or 5 turns anyway, and if you are not, you are already losing the game I don't believe the F15 is enough for a losing American to turn that around.

[player1]

Avoiding Expansionistic wonders is relativly easy since they are:
Collosus,
Lighthouse,
Magellan,
Copreniqus and
SETI.
So it is possbile to delay golden age.

But if you make good early golden age, then you'll start building space projects much sooner then anyone else.

[jinif]

I think the reason that they let the americans have their special unit at the end and let it last for everis that they probably didn't design the game to be played into the distant future. that is why there are future techs and the game score is ended in 2050. As far as I know, no one except for DonJoel has complained about this, I see nothing wrong with the Americans unit, because other units can have a bigger impact on the game, if a jaguar warrior takes over washington 40 turns into the game, the f-15 did the Americans very little good.

[Poobah]

While I played the Russians I know for a fact that I had more than one golden age.

F-15's in my opinion would be less effective in the multiplayer game because human players would defend against it far better than the computer. I agree that games are typically over by the time the F-15 comes around so its almost a pointless unit IMO.

Does the stealth fighter have intercept ability? It doesn't today but the F-22 has some stealth ability. Of course the unit does not look like a Raptor. I have never built one because the major combat is over by then.

[Fayadi]

Seeing this thread makes me laugh,My thought are just the opposites...Expansionist Civ suck big times!!any civ that includes them as good as a civ that only have 1 civ ability!I condemn Expansionist in the strongest term possible
tell me the use whats the use of scout ?when actually u can have commercial,industrious,militaristic!
Firaxis are dumb ,what the hell is expansionist use for?