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Why The Crown of Aragon SHOULD be included in a expansion pack
Um... Everybody says me that I should be more realxed, and I believe that is true, but I have to say that almost the 80% of things that I posted were in a relaxed mind. Now let's to solve my unrelaxed stupid things that I posted:
About "polacos", well, I extracted it 'coz a polish one makes me annoy. This is worse than when some people uses this to catalans. Sorry for my words.
Repeating the same thing one and another time... Yes, is like to say that we haven't anything more to show. Sorry again!
Why not Burgundy for a civilization? They were independent from france for a while... Heck, let's fill up all of Europe with civilizations and leave the rest of the world empty. Each city will be able to grow to size two because they will have 1 resource square that is not being taken up by the Lombards, Tuscans, Swiss, Bavarians, Flemish, Slovenians, Basques, Normans, French, Italians, Romans, Etruscans, Czechs AND Slovaks...
Well, after my post is normal that you could be angry. The problem here is that C. of A. is not known by the world, and making my kind of posts, the final idea could be terrible ,
well... I must make a thread with an objective vision of it.
The place i come from is special and i will insult anyone who belittles my sense of importance
About the importance of C. of A. in the history... Well, it has the same level as Poland (yes, is true!) and another middle-countries with middle-amount of people in the world, but not compare it with a regional movement, you know that isn't the truth.
The problem with the civs is only the result of a the bad implemetation of civs in Civ III, a great solve to it should be choose the starting era in the game, and in each era we could find some different divs. In the era's change, we also could be capable to change the civ (for example, Romans -> Two Sicilies? -> Italians).
This solve the problem with America. It appears and it has historical accurance! In Age of Empires we had "Teutonics", not "Germanics", and nobody said that it was an error, yes?
The origin of my petition born with the English/Bristish question that appeared in this forum in the past. My civ hasn't probabilities to appear in a Civ III expansion pack, so, please reda this.
My final words in this reply are: If you believe that "British" is a mistake as a Civ, please vote "Castillian" in the place of "Spanish".
In Spain, the all-state official langauge is castillian, the capitol is in Castillian Kingdom area, almost a 90% of the cities that were founded in South America by Spanish have names of the Castillian Kingdom, the famous "Conquistadores" of South America were from Castilla dominion, South America speaks castillian, not catalan... So, please, vote them as CASTILLIANS, not "SPANISH".
Is the same idea as when everybody claimed that "British" were an error.
Originally posted by XarXo
If you consider that this post is only a catalan reivinidcation, don't post.
I don´t consider we are talking about politics, and I would like to run this "conversation" in a polite way (probably I´m so candid ). I´m not telling you what you have to do. You can consider yourself catalonian, crown of aragon subdit (in which case your king would be Juan Carlos I of Spain), selenite or martian. I really don´t care. My only point is than I can´t consider myself a castillian, even considering that I was born in a castillian town, cause my family comes from diferent parts of Spain (Valencia, Asturias,...), so I´m spanish, don´t care if Spain exist for you or not, but even if someday Spain is finally divided, I won´t be so stupid to consider myself castillian, madrilian (sounds like a monkey), or any other stupid thing, cause I´m SPANISH, I feel SPANISH, and I don´t want to have any other nationality but spanish or stateless.
If you believe that "British" is a mistake as a Civ, please vote "Castillian" in the place of "Spanish".
In Spain, the all-state official langauge is castillian, the capitol is in Castillian Kingdom area, almost a 90% of the cities that were founded in South America by Spanish have names of the Castillian Kingdom, the famous "Conquistadores" of South America were from Castilla dominion, South America speaks castillian, not catalan... So, please, vote them as CASTILLIANS, not "SPANISH".
Your equation SPAIN=CASTILLE+ARAGON is not exact.
There´s a common heritage, a common history and tradition that doesn´t owns to Castille or Aragon only. The hole thing is bigger than the addition of the parts.
Originally posted by Alfonsus72
It really don´t care. My only point is than I can´t consider myself a castillian, even considering that I was born in a castillian town, cause my family comes from diferent parts of Spain (Valencia, Asturias,...), so I´m spanish, don´t care if Spain exist for you or not,
And I feel catalonian, don't care if Catalonia exist for you or not, but here I'm not expressing my feelings, for this there is the Off-Topic forum or the Spanish Forum, here we're discussing about the Crown of Aragon as a civilization.
For this thread I typed at the first moment a laaaarge text with a realxed (yes, relaxed) explanation of why the castillian nationality is the same one than spanish, but at the end I thought that is stupid enlarge this. Everybody knows the differences from ethnicity, nationality and regionality. The same as state, country, nation and region. And probably you too, but I suggest you a refresh them reading a good dictionary (not a pocket one).
I don't pretend insult you, simply I have to remember you that never, never and never the parents origins are the ones that gives you the nationality. If you feel spanish, you (probably) feel the same as one that feels castillian.
But feelings aren't only the basis of nationality.
Now, let's to speak more of the Crown of Aragon.
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Originally posted by XarXo
I don't pretend insult you, simply I have to remember you that never, never and never the parents origins are the ones that gives you the nationality. If you feel spanish, you (probably) feel the same as one that feels castillian.
Tell that to a Nationalist Castillian Party (Tierra Comunera) member, which motto is "spanishism = fascism".
And don´t be afraid of insulting me, I really don´t care, but please don´t insult me calling me castillian, it´s a very bad insult (and of course, it´s not a nationality).
About the Crown of Aragon itself, why don´t you make a brief of the civ character, town names, special unit (guess Almogavers is a must),...? Probably it will go nowhere, but If you really like civilization (the computer game) it will be funny for you (and of course for me). My sugestions (if I´m allowed), taken from a thread about the spanish civilization in the sp. civ. site forum:
Leader : Jaime I "The conqueror".
Special Unit: Almogavars (swordman with dissembark abiliity).
Ranskaldan:As I have said, XarXo, no one's trying to contradict what you are saying. It's just that Europe is crowded enough as it is, and including Aragon would also justify the Normans, Bavarians, Flemish, Etruscans etc. There are other civs to vote for. Like the Spanish. Or Mongols. Or Arabs. So just create an Aragonian civ yourself. It isn't that difficult.
Tell that to a Nationalist Castillian Party (Tierra Comunera) member, which motto is "spanishism = fascism".
And don´t be afraid of insulting me, I really don´t care, but please don´t insult me calling me castillian, it´s a very bad insult (and of course, it´s not a nationality).
About the Crown of Aragon itself, why don´t you make a brief of the civ character, town names, special unit (guess Almogavers is a must),...? Probably it will go nowhere, but If you really like civilization (the computer game) it will be funny for you (and of course for me). My sugestions (if I´m allowed), taken from a thread about the spanish civilization in the sp. civ. site forum:
Leader : Jaime I "The conqueror".
Special Unit: Almogavars (swordman with dissembark abiliity).
Please, read the first post.
About Terra Comunera, it isn't a nationalist group, is regionalist.
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