Salamanca?!?!?!?!

[Provost Harrison]

I noticed on the new civ of the week, the Iroquois, that their capital city is Salamanca. This is a Spanish city, what on earth is it doing as the Iroquois capital? Would someone care to explain this to me? Is it a practical joke?

[Ribannah]

That is Salamanca, New York. Close to Cuba
In the same state you can find Rome, Utica, Troy, Syracuse, Amsterdam and Kingston(!). I might have picked Toronto, but this is not so bad a choice.

[monkspider]

Apparently it was a city in New York that the Iroquois actually owned. Not a reference to the Spanish Salamanca.
Whether or not it is appropriate as the Native American capital I am unsure of.

[Wernazuma III]

That just shows how stupid it was picking the Iroquois! They didn't even have proper cities, just minor settlements which were even given european names...

[Jay Bee]

From http://wnyrails.railfan.net/sal_home.htm

Salamanca is located within the land of the Seneca Indian Reservation and until the early 1860s its only inhabitants were Indians. When the Erie built its line though here, there was but a single water tank representing "civilization." Salamanca was originally named "Bucktooth", after the crooked teeth of an old Indian who provided fish to the early settlers. The names was changed to Salamanca in honor of the Sig. Don Jose de Salamanca, the Marquis of Salamanca Spain and an early investor in the Atlantic & Great Western Railway which had its eastern terminus in Salamanca..

Perhpas not all Spaniards were as wicked as some posters pretend they were.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
That just shows how stupid it was picking the Iroquois! They didn't even have proper cities, just minor settlements which were even given european names...

The recent civ of the week section reveals that the Iroquois now represent all native Northern Americans Wern.

[Ribannah]

I am wondering, does this mean that we will never get to see the Spanish in an expansion pack?
After all, having two Salamanca's won't do!

[Steve Clark]

Then f****** change the name. Have you even forgotten how to play Civ2? Remember the "Rename" button or even the list of default city names in the text file? Salamanca is no more or less wrong (or right) than anything else, so change it to Toronto if you want or JeepersCreepers or something else.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Ribannah
I am wondering, does this mean that we will never get to see the Spanish in an expansion pack?
After all, having two Salamanca's won't do!

Why not. Do you know how many cities in the world that has the same name?
Frankfurt,
Olsbo,
...,
and so on

Oh, and Salamanca being a city of Iroquois (Appeared in the same color as Iroquois on some screens so I made a search.) was the fact that pushed down Spanish to the clue section of the Civs Included just the facts thread.

[Provost Harrison]

Certainly not convinced by Salamanca as a capital city name for the Iroquois. It is certainly Spanish!

[Ribannah]

I just asked around. It seems that the Iroquois (or at least the Mohawk) would prefer Hochelaga (Montreal) as their capital.

[Fiera]

Did you ask all of them?

Anyway, this is like putting Bagdad as the capital of the Babylonians.

And in case you haven't realised yet, Rib, it shows the influence of the Spanish civilization in today's world, greater in any case than that of Iroquois, even in their own ground!

The Iroquois haven't even suceeded in keeping their citiy names alive.

[Wernazuma III]

even if the iroquois represent all native north american tribes they have no right to be in. At first IMHO there were more important tribes (Cherokee, Dakota et al.) and on the other hand: what have they contributed?

If any (originally) non urban society deserves to be in it can be only the Mongols! (Sorry Fiera, won't jump on the Spanish train this time )

[Gangerolf]

Salamanca was originally named "Bucktooth", after the crooked teeth of an old Indian who provided fish to the early settlers. The names was changed to Salamanca in honor of the Sig. Don Jose de Salamanca, the Marquis of Salamanca Spain and an early investor in the Atlantic & Great Western Railway which had its eastern terminus in Salamanca..

Why not call the city Bucktooth in Civ3 then? Then it will at least be named after an Indian, not after some European rich boy...

[Fiera]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Why not call the city Bucktooth in Civ3 then? Then it will at least be named after an Indian, not after some European rich boy...

Tell that to Firaxis. It looks like they didn't want to waste fifteen minutes reading a book or (even easier) searching the web.