The most glaring omission...

[Roman]

... are the Arabs.

[orange]

definitely. I just posted about this topic in another thread...to lazy to repost it.

[ranskaldan]

totally and utterly agreed. second to that are the spanish.

the moment i get civ3 i'll immediately download an arab patch.

[Steve Clark]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
totally and utterly agreed. second to that are the spanish.

the moment i get civ3 i'll immediately download an arab patch.

And the problem with that is...?

[d_dudy]

the spanish should be in first, think of how many people have some spanish descent in them......

[Christantine The Great]

Nah, there are already enough Middle Eastern civs. Same with the Spanish (of course with the bigger map...nah, still no).

[d_dudy]

you just don't play with the french or romans

[Dimorier Maximus]

Babylonians are Arabs. Persians are Arabs. Egyptians are Arabs.

OK, maybe not, but the Babylonians are supposed to represent the Arabs. The Arab capital would be Baghdad. That is extremely close to where Babylon was.

Now the Turks, on the other hand...

There is no civ that has its capital at Istanbul or Ankara. They are a glaring omission.

[St Leo]

Babylonians are Arabs.

Babylonians are Semites just like Arabs and Hebrews.

Persians are Arabs.

Tell that to a Persian.

Egyptians are Arabs.

Not ancient Egyptians.

OK, maybe not, but the Babylonians are supposed to represent the Arabs.The Arab capital would be Baghdad. That is extremely close to where Babylon was.

Why not Mecca, Medina, Damascus, or Cairo? The greatest Arab dynasty did rule from Baghdad, but still...

[ranskaldan]

Persians are not Arabs, and they've never been Arabs.

Egypt and Babylonia are now Arab, but they weren't when the Pyramids and Ziggurats were built.

Babylonians weren't exactly Semites. The Sumerians weren't, for example. And 'Semites' doesn't mean they're all the same. The Hebrews and Arabs are Semites. Yet they aren't the same at all.

Arabs simply had too great an impact on world history to be ignored. Together with China, they dominated the world when Europe was still bogged down in the Dark Ages. I'd put them at equal importance as the Romans, Chinese, or British. I know that Middle East is cluttered up, but the Middle East has just been too good at producing magnificient cultures.

D_dudy: think how many people there are with arab descent.

[monkspider]

I would love to see the Arabs, however I feel the Mongols may have been an even more glaring omission.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by monkspider
I would love to see the Arabs, however I feel the Mongols may have been an even more glaring omission.

Damn straight! The Mongols were a part of Civilization from the very beginning. Those SOBs really did change the world, too. I think TPTB should have expanded the civilizations list a wee bit in order to fit them in, along with Spain, Incas (or Mayans) and perhaps the Vikings and Carthaginians.

Alas, as I have a Macintosh, I shall have to wait longer than the rest of you. At least the bugs in the Windows version will be worked out by the time a Mac release comes. Perhaps TPTB will also release both Civ III and a patch for those civs in question at the same time for the Macintosh community.

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[KrazyHorse]

Omissions, in order: Spanish, Arabs, Mongols, Vikings

[Sarxis]

I think the reason that a lot of civs didn't get selected, and why others did, was because Firaxis wanted to mix things up a bit by including civs that were different from each other. Tough decisisions that had to be made to cut some of the other major civs, but that's how it all panned out.

Also another thing to consider is the civ leaders. Who would you pick to represent the Arabs or the Spanish? The leaders for the civs that are included in the game are quite well known: Cleopatra, Ceasar (Julius, Augustus- which Ceasar is in the game btw?), Lincoln, Gandhi....

Ok, so I am defending Firaxis. But they had 16 civs to work with, and they had to choose which would be in, and which would be candidates for an XP.

[KrazyHorse]

Spanish: Isabella

Arabs: Saladin