What do we know about the Iroquois?

[Gangerolf]

Have there been any words on what their leader, UU, capital, abilities etc will be?

My suggestion:

Unique unit: War Canoe
Abilities: Militaristic and Commercial

Don't know about the other things... Was Pocahontas Iroquois? Excuse my ignorance.

[civcop]

Iroquois

What the heck is a war canoe? A canoe with a .50 caliber machinegun mounted on the bow? Besides, a UU that is only good in water, and very early in the game to boot, would not be of great use. War canoes vs. triemes and caravelles?

Hiawatha has already been seen on screen shots and is the most logical choice as their leader. I would guess them to be militristic and either oriented toward commerce or expansion. They had what was known as the "Great Pursuit" wherein the Iroquois chased down members of tribes outside their nation as far as Illinois. Those they caught they essentially enslaved, or at least forced into their confederation. This displaced the Shawnee in Ohio. They were also known to practice cannibalism (ugh!). I'm guessing they will be the Civ 3 version of the Vikings or Mongols.

As for their UU, I'd guess some type of glorified warrior. The Mohawk were known as fierce fighters, so perhaps a Mohawk Warrior similar to the Jaguar Warrior of the Aztecs. A mounted warrior might apply too. I've no idea what they get in the modern age as a UU. A casino?

[d_dudy]

Re: Iroquois

Originally posted by civcop
What the heck is a war canoe? A canoe with a .50 caliber machinegun mounted on the bow?

Hiawatha has already been seen on screen shots and is the most logical choice as their leader. I would guess them to be militristic and either oriented toward commerce or expansion. They had what was known as the "Great Pursuit" wherein the Iroquois chased down members of tribes outside their nation as far as Illinois. Those they caught they essentially enslaved, or at least forced into their confederation. This displaced the Shawnee in Ohio. They were also known to practice cannibalism (ugh!). I'm guessing they will be the Civ 3 version of the Vikings or Mongols.

As for their UU, I'd guess some type of glorified warrior. The Mohawk were known as fierce fighters, so perhaps a Mohawk Warrior similar to the Jaguar Warrior of the Aztecs. A mounted warrior might apply too. I've no idea what they get in the modern age as a UU. A casino?

lol at war canoe



probobly not mounted, as far east as they were

i think they'll have some kind of a brave, but more advanced than the JW

i believe threy are militaristic and expansionistic

[KrazyHorse]

Re: Iroquois

Originally posted by civcop
As for their UU, I'd guess some type of glorified warrior. The Mohawk were known as fierce fighters, so perhaps a Mohawk Warrior similar to the Jaguar Warrior of the Aztecs. A mounted warrior might apply too. I've no idea what they get in the modern age as a UU. A casino?

Why would a mounted warrior apply? Iroquois weren't Plains Indians.

There is no "Modern Age UU"; each civ only gets 1 UU.

Hiawatha's the leader (100%). Go to the civ3 website to find out their abilities, you lazy bum.

It's on a chart along with all of the other civs.

[Adrien]

I hope they make 'em carabinières!

[Ribannah]

Re: What do we know about the Iroquois?

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Don't know about the other things... Was Pocahontas Iroquois? Excuse my ignorance.

Pocahontas was Algonquian. The Algonquian nation was one of the main rivals of the Iroquois.

The Iroquois UU will probably be a little more advanced than a simple warrior, possibly a gun-fighter or musketeer of some kind.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

I'd suggest a partisan-type UU. A primary factory separating them (militarily) from the euros in reality was their superior mobility in the forests and hills. Some type of warrior with "treats all terrain as road" would mimic this.

[Gangerolf]

What the heck is a war canoe?

I don't know. Think I saw it in a civ2 scenario. I thought that a brave/warrior UU would be too similar to the Impi and the Jaguar warrior.

Go to the civ3 website to find out their abilities, you lazy bum.

OK they're expansionist and religious. Not exactly what I guessed...

[civcop]

Re: Re: What do we know about the Iroquois?

Originally posted by Ribannah


Pocahontas was Algonquian. The Algonquian nation was one of the main rivals of the Iroquois.

The Iroquois UU will probably be a little more advanced than a simple warrior, possibly a gun-fighter or musketeer of some kind.

My only complaint with having a gun fighter/musketeer as their UU is that they were only supplied with guns by the Dutch, who did so because it served their trading interests (they basically used the Iroquois as muscle to move others, namely the French, out of their way). The Iroquois were feared fighters prior to the introduction of muskets. If they'd come up with some original and influential tactic involving fighting with guns, it would make more sense to me to have that as their UU. If you want to be entirely historically accurate, the UU should be a female Iroquois, since they held all the power

Maybe they could build a wonder called "Feminism"

[JellyDonut]

Re: Re: Re: What do we know about the Iroquois?

One of the Iroquois cities is Salamanca, which could very probably be their capital.

Originally posted by civcop
If you want to be entirely historically accurate, the UU should be a female Iroquois, since they held all the power

Maybe they could build a wonder called "Feminism"

Good idea! With spies gone, there are no female units unless Firaxis found some female Great Leaders...

[jdd2007]

One of the Iroquois cities is Salamanca

i dont know where u got this from. salamanca is a city in spain...

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by jdd2007

i dont know where u got this from. salamanca is a city in spain...

And you are living in the US?
We are talking about Salamanca, New York.

[jdd2007]

ahhhh... i see. i feel so stupid now...

[Mars]

I hope their UU isn't mounted because there were no horses on the americas until the european settlers brought them over.

[Boris Godunov]

We know...

...that they are probably the silliest Civilization to be included in Civ3. This is one of my biggest gripes about it so far.

How many primitive societies with ancient special units are we going to get? Hmm... 1) Babylon, 2) Persia, 3) Egypt, 4) Aztecs, 5) Greeks, 6) Rome, and now 7) Iroquois. That's almost HALF the civs with ancient special units.

Who on EARTH picked the Iroquois? WHY???? They didn't build CITIES. Isn't that one of the major parts of Civilization? Building cities?

I don't understand how they could put in the Iroquois (when there is already a native american culture, the Aztecs) and then completely ignore any Muslim empire. HELLO??? The Ottoman Empire, which lasted for over 1000 years and was the scourge of Europe? The Caliphate? Not only have these cultures had far more impact on the world than the Iroquois, they would produce a nifty medieval unit to the pack.

This is the most baffling aspect of Civ 3 I've come across. I would REALLY like to see an explanantion from one of our good Firaxian friends.

Cheers.