Panzers?

[jdd2007]

Panzer=Armor
Panzergrenadiers=Armored Grenadiers (Mech.Inf) Panzerkampfwagen=Armored Battle Vehicle
Kampfpanzer= Battle Armor (battle tank)
Panzerjäger=Armor hunter (tank buster, tank destroyer, etc)

The word "panzer" refers to every form of armored vehicle in German speaking countries. Panzerkampfwagen IV was a german tank in the 1930s/1940s. Panzerkampfwagen 81 is a German tank (Leopard II) in Swiss service. Kampfpanzer Leopard II is the most modern German tank. Every tank and armored vehicle used by Germany, Austria and Swiss was/is called "panzer".

wow. nice post.
was this a contradiction, or were u agreeing with me?

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Mark L
Every tank and armored vehicle used by Germany, Austria and Swiss was/is called "panzer".

No, trust me

Other armoured vehicles are called "Schützenpanzer" (for APCs on tracks), Panzerspähwagen (APCs on wheels, Recon vehicles), etc., etc., so your are right when you mean other vehicle´s names contain the word "Panzer" but today the term "Panzer" (without an addition) is only used for tanks like LeoII, M1. Sometimes they also use "Kampfpanzer", but mean the same - Main Battle Tanks. Nobody would say just Panzer to an APC...

[Saint Marcus]

Other armoured vehicles are called "Schützenpanzer" (for APCs on tracks), Panzerspähwagen (APCs on wheels, Recon vehicles), etc., etc., so your are right when you mean other vehicle´s names contain the word "Panzer" but today the term "Panzer" (without an addition) is only used for tanks like LeoII, M1. Sometimes they also use "Kampfpanzer", but mean the same - Main Battle Tanks. Nobody would say just Panzer to an APC...

Ok, you're right. But this means only modern tanks are Panzers, and WW2 tanks in Germany were called Panzerkampfwagens, not Panzers. But give those units the name Panzerkampfwagen also creates problems because the modern Swiss version of the Leopard II is also called Panzerkampfwagen 81.