Hebrew/Israelis

[civcop]

They're Israelites

God renamed Jacob to Israel. Thereafter, God's people were known as Israelites as often as any other name. To term them Jews connotes religion. Terming them Isrealites properly identifies the ethnic group that began with Abraham and has continued to the present day. As for Hebrews, I wouldn't have a problem with it as I believe it to essentially be a descriptor for the Israelites. I would say the only real difference between the two is that Israelites denotes a nation as much as a people, and Hebrew a people as much as a nation (if that makes any sense).

I also vote for David. My next choice would be Moses. David is still revered amongst Israelites and his deeds rival no other leader of that people. He was a king and a prophet and he led a great army (Joab gets some of the credit for that too). Moses was a great moral leader of the people and, like David, is still revered by the Israelites. Abraham fits both billings as well, but my personal preference is for one of the other two. Unless you go with modern leaders, there are really no other choices, aside from perhaps Solomon (and I would vote against him for a variety of reasons).

[Internationalist]

Btw, do anyone remembers this nation to be ever portrayed as a civ even in a scenario from Microprose/Infogrames? Cause I can't and I was wondering.....
So, perhaps all this debating is in vain..
And an addition to my earlier post:
Units -> Merkava tank, F-15(I think only nation perhaps with Spain and I think Saudi Arabia,that has some outside the U.S. Yes I know this is the American unit)

[Eli]

A) Only in CTP games.

B) With all do the respect to the present, I prefer games to be more history based.

[Internationalist]

Originally posted by Eli
A) Only in CTP games

Exactly my point...
And it's still not ther in Civ3..I don't know why?
Does anyone?

[Sirotnikov]

I agree with Eli mostly.

Not Israelites, but Israelis.

Hebrews is nice, but it's the tribal name. Since then we changed our trade mark to Sons of Israel(tm) (Israel is Jacob's second name).

Israelites is the international term. The hebrew bible says sons of Israel or in early days Hebrews.

Israel is the name of the first kingdom, later split up into Israel and Judea following Solomon's sins and the conflicts during the tiems of Reahv'am and Yerov'am.

I see David as a greater leader, since he shows great enginuity better than solomon. Based on the jewish history, we sometimes have moments of enginuity, but we're definetly not wise.

David is also a young army man, unlike the bratty weiner Solomon who's king because of his mommy.


The special units shouldn't be a slinger since slingers were special units of David's tribe, not the whole of Israel. We didnt' actually have any special units back then, even though our golden age was definetliy then.

I say our speical unit should be now the Merkava. Either that or a special Mossad Agent.

Our specialities, Commercial & Scientific.

One can justly claim we're militaristic, but in my opinion we're just living in a bad neighbourhood.

[jdd2007]

i agree. they should be the ISRAELIS. because their is enough ancient units already, they should have the late industrial age FREEDOM FIGHTERS as their UU. They could have a biblical leader or a modern one like ... bengurion(?) ... wadya think?

[jdd2007]

also they should be
religious-
... industrious (fits better than others and makes sense)

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Internationalist
Btw, do anyone remembers this nation to be ever portrayed as a civ even in a scenario from Microprose/Infogrames? Cause I can't and I was wondering.....
So, perhaps all this debating is in vain..
And an addition to my earlier post:
Units -> Merkava tank, F-15(I think only nation perhaps with Spain and I think Saudi Arabia,that has some outside the U.S. Yes I know this is the American unit)

In the Gulf War scenario under (Best of the Best)
F-15 In used with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Japan and the US. I might be wrong but do not remember Spain flying the F-15.

[Gangerolf]

My vote goes to Hebrew. Because the last part of the word is brew.

[Sarxis]

It's really a shame that Israel isn't included in CIV because the kingdom of David, Solomon, and their heritage, was quite a powerful ancient kingdom.

Hebrew probably isn't a good reference to this kingdom, since the word Hebrew (people that crossed the river) doesn't necessarily refer to only the Isrealites/Jews.

The word Jew is somewhat derived from 'Judah': one of the tribes that remained faithful to the Isrealite southern kingdom that continued its worship in Jerusalem after Solomon's kingdom split in two.

Isreal would probably be best.

[KrazyHorse]

Ha! 29 to 10. Eli, you'll take the name we give you, and you'll like it.



Who's yer daddy?

[jdd2007]

ok, ok. u won. but did anyone here realize that all or most of the people here who were Israeli ( ) or jewish (me) voted for ISRAELI.

[EnochF]

Okay, but there's still some issues to be worked out ^_^

Take the format

Nation: Babylon
Adjective: Babylonian
Tribe: Babylonians

Nation: Zulu Land
Adjective: Zulu
Tribe: Zulus

Nation: France
Adjective: French
Tribe: French

And how do we apply this to the Hebrews? My suggestion would be:

Nation: Israel
Adjective: Israeli
Tribe: Hebrews

But we could also do:

Nation: Israel
Adjective: Hebrew
Tribe: Hebrews

[Eli]

Originally posted by jdd2007
ok, ok. u won. but did anyone here realize that all or most of the people here who were Israeli ( ) or jewish (me) voted for ISRAELI.

Hey, get ICQ so we can plan our take over. We always need more forces.

[Rakki]

A unique unit for the Israelites (or Hebrews or whateverchacallit) would be settler unit that comes with attack and defense.... I mean, in ancient times the Israelites must've been like some kind of barbarian migration wave, putting to the sword native populations and settling down in their stead...