Russian Unique Unit - Cossack!

[Imran Siddiqui]

In the new Computer Games Magazine they state that the Russian unique unit is the Cossack. Does that mean that Firaxis got rid of the MIG? Or did CGN make a mistake? Which is better for Russia? Cossack or MIG?

[Gramphos]

They may have both

[Fiera]

I'm not sure about the Cossack being a good choice, but I wouldn't be very surprised if Firaxis dropped the Mig out.

After all, they're going to have the F15 for the Americans... The Mig would be a very similar UU, probably available with the same tech and needing the same special resources.

[joseph1944]

Re: Russian Unique Unit - Cossack!

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
In the new Computer Games Magazine they state that the Russian unique unit is the Cossack. Does that mean that Firaxis got rid of the MIG? Or did CGN make a mistake? Which is better for Russia? Cossack or MIG?

The Cossack were some petty tough guys in their day.
The Russian can have both, because unless they have change, we know that the game is going to have the M-4 Sherman, M-1 Abrams, and the F-15 Eagle.
The M-4 and M-1 however maybe the Default tank for every Civs.

[d_dudy]

lots of people use migs, but more countries use f-15s (unless, that is the stealth fighter, it isn't, is it?)

the ussr produced migs and sold them to their allies the same way we make fighters and sell them to our allies.

i think both should be available and the american uu should be ww2 marine or some other baddy. someone suggested aircraft carrier-good idea, the man of war is the only naval speacial unit i've heard of.

i like the cossak for russians though, mig and f-15 are too near eachother

[Harlan]

I don't think the magazine is wrong about the MiG being out. I had already predicted that not appearing in another thread. I was analyzing the blank white spaces in the tech tree screenshots - its my theory that all these spaces will be filled up with something or another (though mostly less important things like resources). I noticed there was only one space for an air based special unit, right at Adv. Flight.

We can now add the MiG to other unit graphics that have been seen, yet aren't going to be in the game (for instance, the plains Indian on a horse, the Arab-eque horse rider). The question is, are these going to appear in the scenarios that come with the game, or will they be saved up for future add-ons, or released on the web, or what?

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by d_dudy
lots of people use migs, but more countries use f-15s (unless, that is the stealth fighter, it isn't, is it?)

i think both should be available and the american uu should be ww2 marine or some other baddy. someone suggested aircraft carrier-good idea, the man of war is the only naval speacial unit i've heard of.

i like the cossak for russians though, mig and f-15 are too near eachother

The Stealth Fighter is the F-22. The F-15 has been around since 1973.
The Aircraft Carrier has no attack herself, only the Planes that fly off the Carrier can attack.
WWII Marine not bad, however a Navy Seal, Army Green Beret/Ranger, Marine Recon/Fast Co., and/or AirFoce PerRescue would be very nice.

[datakodin]

Re: Russian Unique Unit - Cossack!

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
In the new Computer Games Magazine they state that the Russian unique unit is the Cossack. Does that mean that Firaxis got rid of the MIG? Or did CGN make a mistake? Which is better for Russia? Cossack or MIG?

And what would be ability of these Cossacks? Increased pillage?!

Cossacks is the name of one of Asian nation. The proper English translation might be daring fellow, dare-devil or something.

Ancient Mongols have applied Cossacks as a scout troops, light-armed and fast. Later this word was used for the frontier guards in Russian state as well as for people who escaped from the central state and colonized free lands outside of country.

Easy to see that the irregular Cossack armies were usually well only in attacking undefended cities and pillaging. Many atempts to use Cossacks in the wars as an army were failed. Evenmore, the Cossacks were very often in war with central government.

So, thank you very much for such a choise

I prefer Dennis Tito as a unique unit. No attack or defence but the price of spaceship construction should be halved.

[Provost Harrison]

I have heard mentioned that some of these 'special units' seen are actually for scenarios, not for the actual game itself, I mean, we have seen an Abrams haven't we and an F-15...perhaps the MiG is also for a scenario and the cossack is the special unit. Although I would say the cossack would be a poor choice of special unit myself...

[redfox74]

The name of the asian nation is "Kazakh". The Russian word for cossack is "Kazak". There is a small difference.

Cossacks weren't Mongol or other asian people. They were Russians. I am 100% sure, the Ancient Mongols DIDN'T use Russian cossacks.

Cossacks were light cavalry of the very high quality (elite?). Really fast and dangerous. They were armed with spears and sabres in the former times (faster dragoon?). Later with sabres and rifles (faster cavalry?).

In 1916 there were 4,4 millions cossack people in the Russian empire. In the military 285,4 thousands: 164 cavalry regiments, 54 batteries, 30 scout/recon battalions, and so on.

[Inverse Icarus]

lol, the American "S.E.A.L Team" unit.

[d_dudy]

Originally posted by joseph1944

The Stealth Fighter is the F-22. The F-15 has been around since 1973.
The Aircraft Carrier has no attack herself, only the Planes that fly off the Carrier can attack.
WWII Marine not bad, however a Navy Seal, Army Green Beret/Ranger, Marine Recon/Fast Co., and/or AirFoce PerRescue would be very nice.

really? an aircraft CARRIER has no attack? i just thought the navy boys ran aircraft CARRIERS right up to battleships and started goin at it.

no **** sherlock what i meant was that maybe a U.S. aircraft carrier would be improved (defense/speed) and carry more aircraft because we use the biggest and most aircraft CARRIERS.

navy seal? there's like what a dozen or less members in a seal team? i can see sending navy seals up against a panzer take unit. makes sense. same with most of your other special ops units. i think only the rangers fight in the unit type numbers demonstrated by civ units.

yes, euro nationalists, i know you have some aircraft carriers too, that's real nice so don't bring it up. i'm just saying it would be a nice fit for the U.S.


sweet new smilies

[datakodin]

Originally posted by redfox74
The name of the asian nation is "Kazakh". The Russian word for cossack is "Kazak". There is a small difference.

Cossacks weren't Mongol or other asian people. They were Russians. I am 100% sure, the Ancient Mongols DIDN'T use Russian cossacks.

The name of asian nation is "Kyrgyz". "Kazakhs" are famous nation too but they have nothing common with Cossacks.

Never be 100% sure. First of all, the Ancient Mongols used Mongolian cossacks. Second...

At second, there was no united Russian state at the time of Mongol invasion and occupation. There are too many examples when the warriors from one Russian city have joined Mongols attacking other Russian city. The real life is a little different from the Civ3 game, elas

[redfox74]

O.k. I understood. The WORD "cossack" or "kazak" is the name of an asian (kyrgyz) tribe. And this tribe was an ally of the Mongols.

But I am not sure, if Russian warriors, who joined the Mongols, were really Russian cossacks, in the later sence of this russian word.

I think the cossacks are a better UNIQUE unit for Russians than MiG. But may be it will be too weak.

[Fiil]

redfox74 or datakodin:

I'm curious, if Kazakh isn't the same as Kazak meaning Cossacks, what does it mean then??