germans - attributes

[StSz]

uhm, if you look on this table:

http://www.civ3.com/devupdates/abilitiespopup.cfm

you would see that they made 2 double pairs:
English/Germans and Aztecs/Japanese

They forgot the Militaristic + Scientific combinations
(there are 15 unique combinations!! - 14 are used)

changeing the germans to Militaristic + Scientific would solve two problems:

1) The Germans _ARE_ militaristic (they are nowadays the same as they were '45), and they have great impact on world's technology (the _BEST_ example: MP3 from the "Frauenhofer Institut für Integrierte Schaltungen" (Frauenhofer institute for integrated circuits) ) - however, they are nowadays NOT THAT great expansionists

2) We would kill one double pair, and leave only one pair: Aztecs/Japanese (weird similarity)

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Stryfe

The Religious attribute I would assert is indisputable (yet seems least popular). But what can you say about the nation that has produced the most influential, innovative, and important religious thought of the modern era? From Martin Luther, who produced the Reformation, to Schleiermacher, who introduced Liberal Modernism (not to mention Feuerbach and Strauss), up to Karl Barth, the most important voice of Evangelicism, Germany has consistently produced the greatest and most original voices in the sphere of religion. Today, if you examine the most influential theologians, they are, by and large, Germans--Jurgen Moltmann, Hans Kung, etc--or German Swiss. And it's not just that these have been "just" big thinkers in religion; these aren't thinkers who've only influenced an erudite few, but have been extremely influential as well throughout the world.

If anything, Germans should NOT be religious. The history of German philosophy and German political thought is a history of breaking away from religious fundamentalism. From Martin Luther indeed (yes, he created his own religion, but back then everybody was religious, and his religious act was the most anti-religious of the era). But then through Heideger, Nietzsche, Drescher and poets like Goethe and Schiller the German intellectuals were humanists if not atheists. Indeed, the romanticism was strongest and most anti-religious in Germany, not to mention modernism or the after WWII period.

The fact they were "Holy Roman Empire" in middle ages and organised crusades has nothing to do with that, as everybody did it. But indeed, if any nation may be seen as questioning the Pope all the time back then, it was Germans.

As for what I think should be used - if the ruler is Frederick the Great of Prussia (and I think it is him) or Otto von Bismarck, then obviously militaristic and industrious.

[JellyDonut]

Originally posted by StSz
uhm, if you look on this table:

http://www.civ3.com/devupdates/abilitiespopup.cfm

you would see that they made 2 double pairs:
English/Germans and Aztecs/Japanese

They forgot the Militaristic + Scientific combinations
(there are 15 unique combinations!! - 14 are used)

changeing the germans to Militaristic + Scientific would solve two problems:

1) The Germans _ARE_ militaristic (they are nowadays the same as they were '45), and they have great impact on world's technology (the _BEST_ example: MP3 from the "Frauenhofer Institut für Integrierte Schaltungen" (Frauenhofer institute for integrated circuits) ) - however, they are nowadays NOT THAT great expansionists

2) We would kill one double pair, and leave only one pair: Aztecs/Japanese (weird similarity)

1945 was the death of a VERY militaristic government (the Nazis) and the country is much much less militaristic than it was back then, in case you didn't notice. And Firaxis didn't *forget* the militaristic/scientific combination; it would simply be too powerful for balanced gameplay.

[StSz]

Originally posted by JellyDonut


1945 was the death of a VERY militaristic government (the Nazis) and the country is much much less militaristic than it was back then, in case you didn't notice. And Firaxis didn't *forget* the militaristic/scientific combination; it would simply be too powerful for balanced gameplay.

EDITED BECAUSE IT WAS TO ANTI-GERMANISTIC

You are right.. scientific + militaristic seems to strong.