posted by Harlan
Korn,
The fact is we don't know if any elephant unit or units will be in the game or not. I have a hunch they will. This is based on the Polytheism pic, plus the fact that there are three blank spaces for that tech. For all we know, there could be a general elephant unit for everyone, and then a special version for India.
Chances are there still are some general units not shown in the tech tree. Look again at that image of all of those units you asked me to see and provided a link for. Look at the topmost land unit standing near the coast. If that's not a diplomat unit then I don't know what (he's holding a scroll), yet there is no such unit in the tech tree, despite Writing having a whopping 4 empty spaces. (The guy standing to the northeast of the chariot also looks like a diplomatic type, again holding a scroll instead of weapon)
Korn,
The fact is we don't know if any elephant unit or units will be in the game or not. I have a hunch they will. This is based on the Polytheism pic, plus the fact that there are three blank spaces for that tech. For all we know, there could be a general elephant unit for everyone, and then a special version for India.
Chances are there still are some general units not shown in the tech tree. Look again at that image of all of those units you asked me to see and provided a link for. Look at the topmost land unit standing near the coast. If that's not a diplomat unit then I don't know what (he's holding a scroll), yet there is no such unit in the tech tree, despite Writing having a whopping 4 empty spaces. (The guy standing to the northeast of the chariot also looks like a diplomatic type, again holding a scroll instead of weapon)
check out these links
Tech tree with filler art
Tech Tree from Civ3.com
looking at those tech tech shots, the first one shows the units and then T's standing in for governments, buildings, and wonders...looking at a later shot from the civ3 site shows the tech tree filled in with artwork
both of these screen shots goes against both the theory that polytheism has three blank spaces that haven't been filled in yet, and it goes against the theory that writing has four blank spaces that haven't been filled in yet
as for the topmost guy holding the scrolls he is not a diplomat, he is most likely an explorer unit, made available with navigation...look at the similarities in the unit in the screen shot, and the unit under navigation in this screen shot of the tech tree
unit screen shots
navigation unit in the tech tree
it looks like the exact same unit to me...it's carrying the same scrolls...so unless the diplomat is made available with navigation then i highly doubt that it is a diplomat
As an aside, where is the info that the Russian special unit is the MiG? I noticed in the tech tree that there doesn't seem to be any space for it. There is one blank space at Advanced Flight for a special unit, not two, and we already know the F-15 is in. Plus, wouldn't having both the F-15 and MiG be too similar to each other?
harlan in all likely hood the mig and the f-15 are going to be upgraded jet fighters...looking at the tech chart, jet fighters are found with an unidentified missile and a SAM missile site city improvement under rocketry...the unidentified missile is most likely a conventional cruise missile...since the CSU takes the place of the normal unit i don't think that they show CSUs on the tech tree...so iron working will show just the swordman and not the swordman and the legion
take a look, the jet fighter is the second unit under rocketry
jet fighters from the screen shots
ok i am going to try and identify the land units in the screen shot going from the explorer in the northwest to the artillary unit in the southeast, reading right to left
*explorer, warrior, cannon, iroquois CSU, panzer tank (german CSU), eagle warrior (aztec CSU), pikeman
*impi, unidentified, musketman
*Cataphract perhaps? (persian CSU), musketeer (french CSU), catapult, hoplite (greek CSU), samuri (japanese CSU), modern tank {synthetic fibers}, mech infantry {robotics}
*knight, chariot, unidentified, archer, conscripts {nationalism}, unidentified, bowmen (babylonian CSU)
*ww2 tank {motorized transport}, spearmen, longbowmen {invention?}, horseman, artillary
that is my best guess for the land units
also check out this thread in which i list all the units by tech
List of units in Civ3 based on screen shots
also i would like to point out a few other facts that lead me to believe the elephant isn't in the game...
*in civ 2 horseman were available with one tech, chariots with two and elephants with three
*in civ3 chariots are available with one tech, then both polytheism and horseback riding are three techs {warrior code, the wheel, horseback riding}{cerimonial burial, mysticism, polytheism}
*in civ3 the chariot is a 1.1.2 unit and the knight (middle age unit) appears to be a 4.3.2 unit
*in civ3 horses are a resource required for building units and elephants are a luxery that makes people happy...in civ3 all resources appear like more than one unit requires them
taking all of those facts together i believe that the horseman will be 3.1.2, so i just don't think that the elephant is going to be in civ3...if you have any evidence to blow a hole in one of my screen shots or one of my assumptions please show it to me...i'm not trying to be hardheaded on this issue i just think that the evidence most likely points to the fact that the elephant is no longer in civ3, and if the elephant isn't in civ3 then the indian special unit must be some other unit...and all of the insight on this thread points to the Cataphract being the persian special unit but only time will tell
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