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this thread is part of an ongoing series, the purpose being to critique the civ specific features of each civ from the point of view of historical accuracy. Please post comments on these fetaures that deal primarily with strategy and gameplay issues elsewhere.
Egypt - religious and industrious - ok, relgious certainly, industrious, whether they were harder working of better organized doesnt really matter, certianly their "output" was high.
Whether this would have continued had their civ survived is debatable, but i wont make a fuss. Again we see that civ-spec features dont work to badly for a genuinley old civ.
war chariots - well yes, chariots did dominate their armies, in the late bronze, the height of their power. But then chariots dominated EVERY state's armies at the time (Robert Drews, "End of the Bronze Age") and no evidence Egypts were any better. Oh well, I suppose Firaxis can claim that Egypt were earlier, pointing tot he Hyksos invasions, I dont know that anyone has good dates for the first Hittite, Assyrian or Mycenaean chariots.
Was an eqyptian advantage in war chariot inevitable? I think not, even Firaxis attributes the advantage to the Hyksos invasion. Interesting, the barbs take half your cities and you GAIN a tech
Didnt work that way in CIv2, will it in Civ3? Suppose I play a civ3 game where i repel all barb attacks, or where the fortunes of georaphy mean I am never subject to any - yet i still get a war chariot advantage - why?
and btw, though it does not impact gameplay, the statement that the chariots gave up their battlefield dominance to cavalry is outright wrong. They gave up their dominance to infantry. Firaxis has obviously not bothered playing "end of the bronze age" by Pual Cullivan, one of the best ancient period Civ2 scenarios.
All in all only fair. No outrageously ahistorical, but not as good as what they did with the babs.
BTW - for all you folks complaining about eqyptian war chariots and bab bowmen having the same stats - what do you think those bab bowmen were doing? fighting on foot? During the late bronze, which seems to be the time when babs actually had "superiority" in bowmen, they were essentially chariot archers. and the egytian charioteers were chariot archers - the reliefs all show pharoah in a chariot, shooting his bow.
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Egypt - religious and industrious - ok, relgious certainly, industrious, whether they were harder working of better organized doesnt really matter, certianly their "output" was high.
Whether this would have continued had their civ survived is debatable, but i wont make a fuss. Again we see that civ-spec features dont work to badly for a genuinley old civ.
war chariots - well yes, chariots did dominate their armies, in the late bronze, the height of their power. But then chariots dominated EVERY state's armies at the time (Robert Drews, "End of the Bronze Age") and no evidence Egypts were any better. Oh well, I suppose Firaxis can claim that Egypt were earlier, pointing tot he Hyksos invasions, I dont know that anyone has good dates for the first Hittite, Assyrian or Mycenaean chariots.
Was an eqyptian advantage in war chariot inevitable? I think not, even Firaxis attributes the advantage to the Hyksos invasion. Interesting, the barbs take half your cities and you GAIN a tech
Didnt work that way in CIv2, will it in Civ3? Suppose I play a civ3 game where i repel all barb attacks, or where the fortunes of georaphy mean I am never subject to any - yet i still get a war chariot advantage - why? and btw, though it does not impact gameplay, the statement that the chariots gave up their battlefield dominance to cavalry is outright wrong. They gave up their dominance to infantry. Firaxis has obviously not bothered playing "end of the bronze age" by Pual Cullivan, one of the best ancient period Civ2 scenarios.
All in all only fair. No outrageously ahistorical, but not as good as what they did with the babs.
BTW - for all you folks complaining about eqyptian war chariots and bab bowmen having the same stats - what do you think those bab bowmen were doing? fighting on foot? During the late bronze, which seems to be the time when babs actually had "superiority" in bowmen, they were essentially chariot archers. and the egytian charioteers were chariot archers - the reliefs all show pharoah in a chariot, shooting his bow.
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