Expansion Pack Civs (Part 2)

[MarkG]

please continue here

There has been a lot of debate about which civs should have been included in Civ3 but weren't and should thus be put in an Expansion Pack (if there will ever be one). In my opinion there have been too many threads about this subject already and it's getting tiresome but I decided to start my own anyway. This is because IMHO none of the existing threads is really satisfactory: all these threads are standard vBB polls that only allow 10 options, while there are many more civs to choose from and some civs are more important than others. That's why I suggest a different system, one that allows everyone to vote for those civs which (s)he thinks are the most important. Hopefully this allows everyone to say their thing and be done with it...

I suggest we use the following system: you can post up to 16 civs that you feel should be included in an expansion pack (no more since an expansion pack is not likely to contain more and because it would only be more work to keep track of). You can post any civs you feel should be included, whether it's a big civ like Spain or a small one like Liechtenstein You can assign points to each of these civs: the more points you give, the more important you think it is for this civ to be included. You can assign at most 160 points in total and 20 to a single civ (this to prevent people from giving a lot of points to one civ and thus disrupting the 'reliability' of this poll). I'll volunteer to keep track of all posts and keep an overall ranking in this first post.

Edit: a couple of new 'rules' to avoid misunderstandings:
* If you just post civ names and no points, the points will be distributed equally among all choices. So if you post 16 names without points, all choices will get 10 points. If you post 8 names, all choices will get 20 points. If you don't agree with the points I assigned to your choices, give points yourself in the first place or change your vote afterwards (see below).
* Post an exact name: for the purpose of this thread, different names indicate different civs. Of course, it doesn't matter when you vote for Celts, Kelts or Celtic but it does matter when you post for Israeli, Jews or Hebrew. If you vote for Hebrew your points go to the Hebrew, if you vote for Israeli your points go to the Israeli, whether you think these two are the same or not (same with Turks/Ottoman, etc). If you post several names, e.g. Turks/Ottoman or Carthagian/Phoenician, all points go to the name you post first. So in the examples the points would go to Turks and Carthagian.
* If you wish to change your vote for any reason, that's possible but please don't edit your existing post or just post a new list. This would be very confusing for me to keep track of. Instead, only post the changes you wish to make. FE, if you already voted but see someone vote for the Cubans and think 'that's brilliant, why didn't I think of that?', you can change your vote by posting 'Arabs -7, Cubans +7' or something like that. Please do this even if you still have enough points left, so I can doublecheck to make sure you don't exceed the maximum number of civs/points. So if you only 'spent' 150 points over 12 civs, don't just posts 'Cubans 10' but rather 'Cubans +10'. TIA for doing so.

Some example civs to guide you in picking your civs (by no means exhaustive, feel free to post others): (Africa) Bantu, Zimbabwe, Swahili, Nigeria, Benin, Ghana, Mali, Moors, Morocco, Ethiopia/Axum, Nubia, Carthage, South Africa/Boer (Americas) Eskimo, Canada, Sioux, Cheyenne, Apache, Navajo, Hopi, Olmec, Maya, Inca, Tolmec, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina (Oceania) Maori, Aboriginals, Australia, Polynesia, Philippines, Indonesia (Asia) Khmer, Siam/Thai, Burma/Myanmar, Cambodia, Mongol, Annam/Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, Tamil, Sikh, Moghul, Kazakh, Pakistan, Parthia, Bactria, Armenia, Arabia, Hebrew, Hittites, Sumerian, Turkish/Ottomans, Byzantine, Phoenicia, Fillistines(sp?), Iraq (Europe) Spanish, Dutch, Minoan, Celts, Viking, Polish, Austria(-Hungary), Italy, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Danish, Scots, Irish, Belgium, Portuguese, Basque, Slavic, Serbia, Macedonia, Czech, Swiss, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Goths (for more: see ranking)



Here's the overall ranking (last update: Cybershy, # of votes: 51, # of points: 7734):

#&nbsp	Civilizations     &nbsp  &nbsp		Points  &nbsp	Votes
1.	Mongols		637	40
2.	Spanish		597	38
3.	Vikings		573	37
4.	Arabs		566	37
5.	Inca		499	35
6.	Turks/Ottomans		461	35
7.	Hebrew/Israelis		344	26
8.	Celts		321	24
9.	Maya		266	24
10.	Ethiopians		253	19
11.	Carthaginians		247	18
12.	Dutch		218	18
13.	Koreans		125	9
14.	Phoenicians		180	15
15.	Portuguese		165	14
16.	Sioux/Dakota		130	12
17.	Polynesians		111	10
18.	Byzantines		97	9
19.	Khmer		94	10
20.	Mali		85	9
21.	Assyrians		80	7
22.	Australians		79	7
23.	Huns		66	6
24.	Polish		61	8
25.	Siamese		55	5
26.	Apache		54	5
27.	Aborigines		53	4
28.	Canadians		50	4
29.	Italians		50	3
30.	Tibetans		49	5
31.	Eskimos		49	4
32.	Trojans		41	3
33.	Sumerians		40	4
34.	Songhai		40	3
35.	Serbs		40	2
36.	Zimbabwe		39	4
37.	Vietnamese		37	3
38.	Ghanaians		33	3
39.	Magyar/Hungarian		32	4
40.	Philistines		30	2
41.	Philippines		30	2
42.	Mexicans		28	3
43.	Olmec		28	3
44.	Austro-Hungarians		25	3
45.	Hittites		25	3
46.	Nigerians		25	3
47.	Slavs		25	3
48.	Kushites		25	2
49.	Inuit		21	3
50.	Scandinavians		20	3
51.	Scots		20	2
52.	Bangladesh		20	1
53.	Bedouin		20	1
54.	Confederates		20	1
55.	Cuba		20	1
56.	Indonesia		20	1
57.	Iraq		20	1
58.	Kilwans		20	1
59.	Tartars		20	1
60.	Ugandians		20	1
61.	Welsh		20	1
62.	Neanderthals		18	2
63.	Hopi		16	2
64.	Nubians		16	2
65.	Cherokee		15	2
66.	Etruscs		15	2
67.	Goths		15	2
68.	Hawaiians		15	2
69.	Navaho		15	2
70.	Yankees		15	2
71.	Anasazi		15	1
72.	Native Americans		14	2
73.	Berbers		13	2
74.	Boers		13	2
75.	Hmong		13	2
76.	Tunguz		13	2
77.	Mesopotamians		12	1
78.	Argentinians		10	1
79.	Armenia		10	1
80.	Bantu		10	1
81.	Harappan		10	1
82.	Indus Valley People		10	1
83.	Javans		10	1
84.	Maori		10	1
85.	Columbians		7	1
86.	Kazakhs		5	1

[MarkG]

previous thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24304

[Eli]

edit : never mind....

[Jer8m8]

i have a correction... i gave 5 points to indus valley people

[Basil]

Cool thread!

Mongols 20
Arabs 20
Spanish 15
Hebrews 15
Turks 15
Assyrians 15
Byzantines 15
Phoenicians 15
Vikings 10
Minoans 10
Incas 10

[Rasputin]

Australia 20
New Zealand 10
Fiji 10
Tonga 5
Papua New Guinea 5

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Going local, eh, Raz?

Arabs 20
Maya 20
Spanish 20
Dutch 15
Assyrians 15
Inca 10
Dakota 10
Khmer 10
Accra 10
Cretan (Minoan) 10
Byzantines 10
Huns -10

[Seau]

Turks 20
Mongols 5
Spanish 10
Vikings 5
Hebrew 5
Eskimos 15
Sioux 15
Italians 10

[Brent]

Viking -10
Spanish -5
Inca -5
Anasazi -5
Hawaiian +5
Hebrew -10
Arab -5
Ethiopia +7
Boer +7
Berber +7
Hmong +7
Tibetan +7
Suggestions for other people to vote for: Trolls, Elves, Atlanteans, Leprechauns, Fairies, Titans, Olympian Gods, Centaurs, Satyrs, Chechens, Khazars, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Siberians, Taiwanese, Ainu, Manchurians, Nepalese, Mandarins, Cantonese, Mongolians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Aryans, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans, Fijians, Tupi, Guarani, Arawak, Miwok, Maidu, Utes, Paiutes, Powhatans, Creek Indians, Misssissipian Indians, Hopewell, Mound Builders, Athapaskans, Cree, Mormons, Shakers, Amish, Afro Americans, Texans, Oregonians, Californians, Quebecois, New Englanders, Mid Atlantic Americans, Acadians (Cajuns), Missourians, Mulattoes, Mestizoes, Gypsies, Finno-Ugrics, Bushmen, Bantu, Khoisan, Malagasy, Apes, Cetaceans, Cro Magnons, Royalists, Communists, Socialists, Fascists, democrats, republicans, Thracians, Normans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Castillians, Basque, Catalans, Sevillians, Leonians, Aragonians
I think its neat that people have chosen Confederates, Neanderthals, Trojans, Indus Valley Civ, Bedouins, and Tatars.
The Hmong are a culture from Southeast Asia who I don't think have ever had their own territory.
I'm glad you liked my list. Just what was it you found unusual about it? I like your thread, and its rules, they are brilliant! I'm glad to have gotten in on it near the beginning.
Here are some suggested individual expansion packs: Greece, British Isles, Holy Land, United States Political , Racial, And Religious Factions, Californian Native Americans, and Nigerian Tribes.
Possible Neanderthal city names might include Ooga Booga, Ugh, Grunt, Zugzug, Flaw, Atook, Bambam, Pebbles, Bedrock, Flintstone, Rubble, Stone, and Slate.
The following is just a joke, but maybe my list should have followed my ancestry: Norwegian 20, Swiss 5, English 1, French 1, Irish 1, Scotch 1, Cherokee 1.
Carthage and Phonecia should be separate just like Celts, English, and Americans are.

[Accsi]

Huns 20
Spanish 20
Mongols 20
Vikings 20
Inca 20
Arabs 20
Turks 20
Magyar 20

[gannon]

Turks 20
Byzantines 20
Ethiopians 20
Phoenicians 20
Trojans 20
Austro-Hungarians 20

[laros]

Why is everybody talking about the "Vikings"?

Does anybody know what they are talking about?

The Vikings was a designation of a man who went over sea as an explorer, trader or pirate. Their "true nationality" where Danes, Norwegian, Swede or some of the other lokal scandinavian tribes.

Calling that Scandinavian civilisation "the Vikins" is like calling the Americans "The Marines" or the Japanese "the Samurai".

Laros, "Non Viking"

[Stefu]

BTW, MarkG, considering this is Locutus' project, shouldn't he have been the one making the first post? I mean, he still has to edit it, you know. Now the post having all the results has to be somewhere in the middle of first page of thread.

[kolpo]

Poland 10
Tibet 10
Vikings 10
Australia 10
Brazil 10
Indonesia 10
Mongols 10
Sumerians 10
Ethiopia 10
South Afrika 10
Iran 10
Oekraïne 10
Spain 10
Portugal 10
Incas 10
Thai 10

[DarkCloud]

Snake Mound: 20
Anasazi: 20
Native Americans: 5 (Replace the Iroquois League)
Ghana: 10
Mali: 10
Mongols: 20
Spanish: 20
Carthaginians: 10
Vikings!: 20
Hebrew: 10
Turkish: 15

-160


For that matter, laros, you could argue that the Germans be considered Prussia and any number of other minor city states.
I believe that history agrees with you up to the point where you say they werent a civilization. They were a group of raiding parties and an army centered around a central cause, roughly like the Mongols.