***never Is Too Late!!!*** Add More Tribe Options!!!!!!!!!!

[El hidalgo]

As a practical matter, you have to make some choices. For example, it would be ridiculous to have both Mali and Ghana. They overlap too much territory. The Mali have a more famous leader (Mansa Musa), so I say go with them. Mesopotamian includes Babylon, Sumer, etc., so again pick one, and I say Babylonians. Inca is a better-known name than 'Birú', so I say go with that. There are too many minor Native American peoples to include, so Iroquois seems good enough to me to stand for all of them.

That said, it's obvious (to me) that there are still too few civs. We need all the civs from Civ 2 (including the hidden ones, Arabs and Incas), plus more, including Turks, Mali, and a SE Asia civ (Khmer?), at least. Those are fairly large omissions, from either a historical perspective or a game-playing perspective (on historical grounds you can exclude the Mali, but as a matter of balance and game play it would be really great to have a civ in west Africa).

[MarkG]

dont mean to disapoint you, but IT IS TOO LATE TO ADD NEW CIVS NOW

[El hidalgo]

Originally posted by MarkG
dont mean to disapoint you, but IT IS TOO LATE TO ADD NEW CIVS NOW

True, but why let that stop us? Any excuse to rehash the old "which civs..." debate.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by El hidalgo
Any excuse to rehash the old "which civs..." debate.

ah yes, what's more fun than debating which nation is better than the other?

[Brent]

The Cherokee would be good... maybe Cree. One of my wishes would be all the native tribes fron Colonization. Maybe make it possible to import civs from ready made scenarios into the main game. Swiss, Sami, Athapaskan, Powhatan, Luxembourgish, Estonian, Singapore, Tongan, Rwanda, Guyana... but then I'm being silly.

I say... Let the Civ 4 Wish List Begin!!!

[Pythagoras]

I was very happy to see that the team worked on new gameplay, and sacrificed doubling the number of tribes. Also, the civs are much more individualized this time 'round. So stop your gabbing and just live with it. I do hope that those "check boxes" are replaced by a drop down menu so that one can throw in any custom civ he wants without having to sacrifice another civ...

[Eddin]

America is NOT a nation. It is a confederation in state, and it doesn't posess a true identity or racial past. They are virtually Brittish peasants (they even have an accent which is native to some poor part of England of which the name eludes me for a moment) who managed to break free from their Rulers and started a democracy. Indeed, Commercial/expansionalist would have suited them fine.

But, I must agree they hold an important part in the world today, they are (regretfully) the world superpower of today and probably some days to come (until Bush f***s up the world that is). For this reason they should be implemented, but it's rather poblematic that they don't really have a past.

It must sound like I really hate America (I do actually, but that's not the point)

[DarkCloud]

Re: Re: Essential Civs List

Originally posted by tniem


I counted 17 in your list and you did not include any Metsopatamian culture - the birthplace of civilization.

Okay, then 18, sorry I omitted the Babylonians

Brent- That is overkill. Just how important are the Swiss?
The Cree? The Cherokee? The last two weren't truly civilizations, they were tribal structures. The Iroquois League was the most truly civilization of the Indians, and it only lasted a few years as independed of America.

Mark, We want to A: Complain B: Get our Post Counts up C: Want Civ IV to be good

[Eddin]

Speaking of post counts....

When do I get my own avatar?

[XarXo]

dont mean to disapoint you, but IT IS TOO LATE TO ADD NEW CIVS NOW

You are in the wrong way Mark , I will explain why:

-If Civ III editor is included, and WE can change the options in Civ III, why FIRAXIS can't? They can't use their own programs????? If we can modify the game THEY CAN TOO, and also they have a lot of potent computers with fast and amaizing design programs, not Paintbrush as us. They are professionals. Also, DAN MAGAHA, Civ3.com is made, yes? You have a co-webmaster YES? So you have more FREE TIME!!! Use it to make the 8 civilizations that we need!!! We're in August, with 60 days you can make:

- 8 special units.
- 8 leaders (x 4, for the 4 ages in the game).
- 8 city lists (ooooh, too difficult!!! )

The advisors styles an the other stuff is the same for consecuent cultures, so IT COULD BE MADE!!!!

If you need info about the cultures, I can refresh you that Incans, Mongols, Spanish and other ones yet have leader names and city list in Civ II!!!! (Incans were hidden in the RULES.TXT)

So, IT CAN BE MADE, WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT TO CIV IV OR A SILLY EXPANSION PACK!!!!!

Now, other questions:

Inca is a better-known name than 'Birú', so I say go with that.

Well, yes, the "The Birú" name sound a bit strange, but is the original name in qeichua language, actually is the "El Perú" country, the spanish adaption.

The Cherokee would be good... maybe Cree. One of my wishes would be all the native tribes fron Colonization. Maybe make it possible to import civs from ready made scenarios into the main game. Swiss, Sami, Athapaskan, Powhatan, Luxembourgish, Estonian, Singapore, Tongan, Rwanda, Guyana... but then I'm being silly.

Well, a known Civ-Requirement is that the civilization must have some other-cultures-exterminations, bloody wars, terrorist tactical moves, horrorous past and large empires that dured short periods. i. e.: Germany, USA, Japan, Spain, China, Greece...

[Eddin]

Mmm...

If I were Firaxis, I would be much too lazy to make an ENTIRE new set of faces while you have actually nearly finished the game.

Then again, I'm not in Firaxis

!GO FIRAXIS GO!

[XarXo]

Re: Mmm...

Originally posted by Eddin
If I were Firaxis, I would be much too lazy to make an ENTIRE new set of faces while you have actually nearly finished the game.

Then again, I'm not in Firaxis

!GO FIRAXIS GO!

Well, not an ENTIRE NEW SET, only the 8 new ones, the old ones are perfect!! I refresh the list :

- Mongols (Mongolia),
- Spanish (Spain),
- Incans (The Birú),
- Hebrews (Israel),
- Siamese (Siam, the Thailand-Myanmar-Malaysia-Cambodja-Laos-
Vietnam-Bangla Desh culture),
- Ethiopians (Ethiopia),
- Nigerians (Nigeria, an enormous population, big country, great
industrial growth, a lot of militar power... Is the
Africa version of China). Nigeria is the principal country
in the Swagili ethnic territory. Represents all the
western africa zone.
- Polynesians (Polynese, is the representant of the Pacific and
Australia, actually empty in the original Civ I/II
versions. They contribueited with the magnificient
Rapa-Nui Moais, the Hawaian culture...) with a correct
shallow-sea "road" connecting each island and
Australia , a good AI, a trirreme when start and the
seafearing knowledge, why not???

I *truly* believe that they are the correct ones, and remember that 3 of them were included in Civ II (Incans in a hidden position...).

[Pythagoras]

Originally posted by Eddin
America is NOT a nation. It is a confederation in state, and it doesn't posess a true identity or racial past. They are virtually Brittish peasants (they even have an accent which is native to some poor part of England of which the name eludes me for a moment) who managed to break free from their Rulers and started a democracy. Indeed, Commercial/expansionalist would have suited them fine.

But, I must agree they hold an important part in the world today, they are (regretfully) the world superpower of today and probably some days to come (until Bush f***s up the world that is). For this reason they should be implemented, but it's rather poblematic that they don't really have a past.

It must sound like I really hate America (I do actually, but that's not the point)

Although I hate America too, I happen to know enough about it to say that indeed it is a nation with its own identity. Its a very paradoxical identity- Americans typically associate themselves 1 Extreme fear of centralized authority and 2 Extreme puritanism. Both of these flavor American society and give it a culture, even if it is rather paradoxical.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by XarXo
They are professionals. Also, DAN MAGAHA, Civ3.com is made, yes? You have a co-webmaster YES? So you have more FREE TIME!!! Use it to make the 8 civilizations that we need!!! We're in August, with 60 days you can make:

- 8 special units.
- 8 leaders (x 4, for the 4 ages in the game).
- 8 city lists (ooooh, too difficult!!! )

last time i checked Dan was doing work around webmastering, web designing, etc, NOT 3d graphics renderings!

something tells me the animations(which will be pre-renderred) of the leaders in the diplomacy screen need a LOT of work and (renderding) time to be made


perhaps if we had someone from the art team, he could tell us how many frames each leader has(hint for the gods)....