English or British?

[red_jon]

Is it the 'English' or 'British' civilisation in Civ3? So far I've heard its English - but in this screenshot http://www.civ3.com/images/screenshots/foreign.jpg it says 'Queen Elizabeth of Britain'.

I hope Firaxis don't make the mistake of getting the two mixed up - as anyone from the Isles will tell you, England is a province of Britain. Britain also includes Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

I knows it's a relatively small problem, but it bugged the hell outta me in the SNES version of Civ2.


RJ

[Ilkuul]

Yes, yes, yes, as a fellow-Brit I must speak up and be counted! Do make sure you get it right, Firaxis, and don't start talking about 'British' when you mean 'English', or vice versa.

As an aside, I think it's quite appropriate to have an English civ. as opposed to a British one, in view of the overall historical period of the game. 'Britain' has only been a unified nation for about 400 of the past 4000 years. Also, I like to be able to add the Scots as a separate civ and then grind them to dust...

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Ilkuul
Also, I like to be able to add the Scots as a separate civ and then grind them to dust...

You can in the Call to Power games ... I played with the English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish.
I very much doubt Scotland or Wales will be in Civ3 though.

I do hope Firaxis get it right.

[tniem]

Could it be that depending on your status in the game i.e. your an empire, nation state, or small city-state that your nation's name changes? I know this is a long shot but if it was the case, going from simply being a tribe (the Egyptians) to an empire (Northern Kingdom) to a modern nation (Egypt) would be a great touch.

[Ilkuul]

AAARGH! In the setup screenshot referenced in Arator's thread "the most disappointing NON-IMPROVEMENT" -- http://www.civ3.com/images/screenshots/playersetup.jpg
-- look at the last "YOUR CIV" option in the right-hand column: "Britain"!!

Come on, Firaxis, get your facts straight! Elizabeth I was queen of ENGLAND, not Britain!!!!

[Inverse Icarus]

bloody 'ell!

(psst... you lost an h)

bhloody 'ell!

(smack)

[Ilkuul]

TRIPLE AAAARGH!!!

I don't believe this.

I've been checking the screenshots on the new website, and there's no doubt about it: "England" has now become "Britain"!

Look at trade1.jpg (Gallery, p.2): Britain is listed, not England.

And worst of all, in foreign.jpg (same page) there's the explicit description: "Queen Elizabeth of Britain"!

No, no NO, NO, NOOOOO! Firaxis, if you must have "Britain", you can't make Elizabeth I its queen! If you must have Liz I, you can't make her queen of Britain!!

ALL BRITS SHOULD RISE UP IN REVOLT AT THIS MANGLING OF OUR HISTORY!

[Lenius]

Britain should not be included in Civ3 it is obviously just gonna p**s people off. Please FIRAXIS don't put Britain in just rename it England even if your not gonna have a Celtic Civilisation.

It makes sense that Britain shouldn't be in Civ3 for a huge host of political, social, economic and historical reasons that would take ages to explain.

At the end of the day putting in Britain is a very bad idea!!!

Oh and I also would like for England to be seperate in Civ3 (scene as that topic has been started) so i can nuke them.

[down th' pub]

I'll do worse than that, boyo, I'll nuke your sheep.

[- Groucho -]

Errr, why not have Lizzie queen of Britain? It's not like it is historically accurate to have her reign last 6000 years, so why do you care that her title isn't historically accurate either?

How about Empress of Britain? Would that be OK?

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Echinda
Errr, why not have Lizzie queen of Britain? It's not like it is historically accurate to have her reign last 6000 years, so why do you care that her title isn't historically accurate either?

How about Empress of Britain? Would that be OK?

It's like having Abe Lincoln as the President of North America (INCLUDING Mexico and Canada)!

Firaxis will get it wrong. Mark my words.

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by red_jon
It's like having Abe Lincoln as the President of North America (INCLUDING Mexico and Canada)!

Well they ARE just economic colonies


j/k

[- Groucho -]

WHAT?!?! ECONOMIC COLONIES!??!!

Just listen to this stunning list of home grown Canadian companies:

GM Canada
Ford Canada
IBM Canada
Xerox Canada
McDonald's of Canada

Need I go on.

[red_jon]

I'd have preffered Winston Churchill to Elizabeth, anyway. He strikes much more of a chord with the British (plus, you could call him leader of Britain and be correct).

[Dauphin]

To me Vicki is the only palletable leader of the British Empire.

I hope Firaxis don't make the mistake of getting the two mixed up - as anyone from the Isles will tell you, England is a province of Britain. Britain also includes Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

England and Scotland are countries, Wales is a principality, N Ireland is a province. The name United Kingdom was coined when the Kingdoms of Scotland and England were united under James II/VI, by which time the Welsh and to an extent the Irish were subjects of the English.

"Britain" officially came into existence in 1801 when all of the British Isles became united after the shotgun wedding with Ireland. Before that time the term "English empire" was a more common usage than "British Empire".