Civilizaton Abilities

[HisMajestyBOB]

Germans really shouldn't have a Civ. They tried and failed to be dominant for 3 decades. What a joke!

Martin Luther, Gutenburg, Bach, Mozart, etc etc.
Yeah, Germans didn't do anything.

[ajbera]

Although I like the way Firaxis implemented special abilities, and approve of the option to switch 'em off, the lack of randomization is a terrible oversight. Granted, it hasn't been specifically stated that you can't randomize (Dan wasn't sure), and we can change them manually, but it really would benefit this feature to allow automatic mix-em-ups. If the folks at Firaxis could confirm or deny the absence (or presence) of this feature, well, shucks, I'd like to know.

Everything else looks rather splendid. Good job folks. Very well done.

[Colon™]

"The Spanish discovered main parts of the New World, giving names to a lot of the regions still there today (ever wondered where "America" originates? . They dominated most of the age of sail."

IIRC the name America is derived from Amerigo Vespucci, who was Italian.

[jsw363]

Colon-
Thank God for educated people like you! Amerigo Vepucci was definitely an ITALIAN mapmaker.

Mad Viking-
I am assuming that you're not a citizen of the US? I think it one of the most godless societies on earth. While there is definitely a visible "bible thumping" population, it's an increasingly secular nation. Just look at the debate currently raging about school prayer or stem-cell research. The US is a country divided, not all protestant work ethic any more. The industrious thing is fairly true though. People still work hard in the US. Also I think that they are quite expansionist. Heard of "Manifest Destiny"?

The French are NOT industrious.
Does anyone think that the Russians are all that scientific? I didn't think that they were, but I am no expert in Soviet history. I thought communism retarded free speech as well as freedom of thought, which I would think would stifle creative and scientific elements in society.

[Grim Legacy]

Originally posted by lord of the mark




Re limited time frame - maybe these things would have been more appropriate to a limited time frame game (like EU) or to a civ scenario, rather than a 6000 year game.

LOTM

Good to see there is someone here that agrees with me!

[Martinus]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
The Americans should also be religious. In God We Trust, the American State is really a Christian one. Sunday Morning TV, the Bible Belt- I know there will be many posters who hate this idea, but it is representative of the American Civ.

You are joking, right? If anything US was a first country to ever succesfully introduce the separation of state and church.
A number of quasi-religious symbols every now and then does not change anything.

If you are seeking for a modern example of religious country, go to Iran or Afghanistan - they are surely religious.
A handful of some "evilution" freaks who pop up from time to time does not change a lot. US is the finest example of secular country.

BTW, I am surprised that no-one of Americans here commented on it.

[lockstep]

Conquered city-populations belong to another culture is comparibly even harder to subdue and pacify.

Ralf, I don´t know if this has been confirmed, but I like the idea. And it could be easily implemented even in the late stage of game development.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Colon
IIRC the name America is derived from Amerigo Vespucci, who was Italian.

Right, but he sailed for the spanish, just as Columbus. Magellan was portuguese. It shows how Spain attracted important men.
Where would the Americans be without the import of great men?

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by uncle_funk
The French were conquered most of their time.
Odd.

Because they were crushed in WW2?

France didn't lose too many wars. I mean, Napoleon in the end did, but only after conquering most of europe.

Louis XIV (with some problems) won the spanish succession wars, us austrians were defeated mostly by the french in the italian wars.

don't forget the scientific/intellectual importance of french and that they won the soccer WC and the spanish never

Though I lament the exclusion of the spanish, replacing the french by the spanish can't be it.

and why does everyone pick on the french army. It was the italians who lost every war victoriously by having the right allies. (they almost turned WW2 into a victory for them

[Colon™]

Not that this matters one damn in this discussion but...

Wernazuma, only Vespucci's first voyage was under Spanish banner, all his other (known) voyages were Portuguese.

Strange they chose his surname, rather than Vespucci, to name the continents after...

[Juggler]

I know what you mean, heh....
imagine Vespuccia instead of America.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Martinus

BTW, I am surprised that no-one of Americans here commented on it.

Why should we. Most of you Non-American have us figure out right? How many of you have ever been to the U.S.? Do we have some problem in big cities, yes. Go to a small town and you will see a big difference. Most American will try to do the right most of the time, however we have the bad element just like all of you have. There have been several poll taken on Religion and each time the poll have showen more than 60% of American belived in Religion. The one real bad thing in my personel view is Atheism and the ACLU (American Civil Liberty Union). They sue every time someone wants to have a Religious event at almost anything.

Amendment 1 of The US Constitution reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

The way I read this is that Congress can not tell me what Religious to belong to, however if a city or court house wants to have a Religious statue or the Ten Commandments hanging on their wall that is OK. The Amendment does not say no religion anywhere, only Congress can not tell us what religion to be.

Hell under the first amendment we even allow Nazi, Skin Heads, KKK, Communist to go around and shoot their mouth off and as long they don't break any laws and get away with it. How many countries in the world would allow that to happen? Look at India, two young kids were killed for being in love by their own family, and some of you do not like America.
If you want to bash major Corporation both American and other, I will help you, but leave the average American along.

Now for the big one. Amendment 2 "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

How many of you understand that one? We have a great many Cities and States that don't understand it yet. Guns are here to stay, and the only way you will claim my guns is in my dead cold hands.

[ajbera]

Originally posted by joseph1944
The one real bad thing in my personel view is Atheism and the ACLU (American Civil Liberty Union).

Most atheists are ready to live and let live - don't push your religion down their throats, and they won't push their lack of belief on you. It's always a vocal minority who are the pains-in-the-ass, just as it's a minority of believers who loudly condemn the atheists (and others.)

It's always the few that make things difficult for the many who are just trying to get by, with or without God's grace.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by joseph1944
The one real bad thing in my personel view is Atheism

As an atheist, I resent this. My values are in no way less than yours. In fact, from the content of your post, I do not like your values at all.

Hell under the first amendment we even allow Nazi, Skin Heads, KKK, Communist

I fail to see what #2 and #4 are doing in this rant.

to go around and shoot their mouth off and as long they don't break any laws and get away with it. How many countries in the world would allow that to happen?

All democratic countries in the case of #2 and #4, of course, unfortunately also in the case of #1, but happily only your country has a #3.

Now for the big one. Amendment 2 "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

This is the main reason why I shall never live in your country.

[Warm Beer]

Originally posted by joseph1944

Now for the big one. Amendment 2 "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

How many of you understand that one? We have a great many Cities and States that don't understand it yet. Guns are here to stay, and the only way you will claim my guns is in my dead cold hands.

I wonder how long is it going to take for the militia to get "well-regulated"?

Just a side note for non-americans: Not all of us think like that, I am sure you know that, but I just wanted to make that clear. And even some the more patriotic among us realize there is room for improvemet.

Back on topic: I like Civ-specific attributes, esp. that they are customizable....