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    Like it used to say in my profile, I'm a pedant at heart. So I thought I'd give my (very minor) two cents to the Civ3 project:

    Firaxis obviously pride themselves on authenticity and realism, as SMAC's amazingly detailed Planet description proves. I wondered why they were using old spellings of Chinese place names, which confuse a modern PinYin reader such as myself. I suspected that they might not know the official names of the places. Hence, here follows a somewhat pedantic but nonetheless highly accurate list of Chinese place names.

    If anybody else hails from another country represented in Civ3 and knows of more accurate spellings of their native cities, then please feel free to post them here. Pedantry loves company.

    Official names (old fashioned names)

    Beijing (Peking), Guangzhou (Canton), Nanjing (Nanking), Qingdao (Tsingtao), Xinjiang (Xinjian), Hangzhou (Hangchow), Tianjin (Tientsin), Datong (Tatung), Shandong (Shantung), Jinan (Qinan), Baoding (Paoting).

    Those are the names in-game. Following is a list of the modern day largest cities in China, which might deserve an honorary mention (and pull the game out of an 18th Century state of current affairs). I arbitrarily include comparative statistics with American cities to give a sense of proportion.

    3million+: Beijing, Luda, Shenyang, Tianjin, Nanjing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Wuhan (home of Chairman Yang), Guangzhou.

    (9 such cities in China, 6 such cities in USA - New York, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles)

    1million-3million: Qiqihar, Harbin, Jilin, Changchun, Fushun, Benxi, Anshan, Dandong, Tangshan, Datong, Huhehaote, Baotou, Shijiazhuang, Taiyuan, Handan, Jinan, Qingdao, Zaozhuang, Zhengzhou, Xi'an, Baoji, Lanzhou, Xining, Huainan, Hefei, Changzhou, Hangzhou, Shaoxing, Huangshi, Wenzhou, Fuzhou, Nanchang, Changsha, Kaolun (Kowloon), Xiang Gang (Hong Kong), Guiyang, Kunming, Chengdu.

    (38 such cities in China, 9 such cities in USA - Seattle, San Francisco, San Deigo, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Boston)

    If Firaxis can find the time to briefly skim through the lists and pick city names from those, they will lend a greater air of credence and recognizability to the game. This goes especially for the (probably very substantial) segment of Chinese or Chinese-American players like myself.

    Anybody else want to suggest official Civ city names?
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    Well, I don't really have any comments to what you where talking about, but when we are in the city names area there's something that maybe needs to be told..:

    I don't remember if the followering was the case in Civ2, but I saw it yesterday while playing CTP2. I played the Vikings and they could build a city named Bonholm, but in real world there's no "Viking" city named that way. Bonholm is an island not a city
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    • #3
      Ah... Phoenix is actually 3+ million city. Believe I would know, I live in the Phoenix metropolatin area. The city I live in, Mesa, I believe is either the biggest or second biggest suburb in the country. It's bigger than St. Louis and is 20,000 people shy of Atlanta. JTLYK.
      However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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      • #4
        To ADG:

        not that it really matters ... but to be accurate: The island is called Bornholm and not Bonholm.

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        • #5
          perhaps you would like them writren in Chinese itself, and dependening on region, mandrian or cantonese.

          i dont play as china, so i really could care less.

          but hey, if you believe something, go for it
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          • #6
            Originally posted by UberKruX
            perhaps you would like them writren in Chinese itself, and dependening on region, mandrian or cantonese.
            That would be nice, but then most English-speaking players wouldn't be able to refer to the cities

            But seriously, this is just a small change, and so it's one that is really really easy for Firaxis to implement and just get right from the word go. Since most official texts (eg news reports) now refer to the cities and places by their modern names ("Beijing") and not their old names ("Peking") it would be nice to see Civ3 have these too.

            It's just a suggestion, but if authenticity is what Firaxis want, then this should help that little bit more.
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            • #7
              But seriously, this is just a small change, and so it's one that is really really easy for Firaxis to implement and just get right from the word go. Since most official texts (eg news reports) now refer to the cities and places by their modern names ("Beijing") and not their old names ("Peking") it would be nice to see Civ3 have these too.
              Kind of like how the Japanesse have Edo and not Tokyo. I do agree that the modern names should be implemented.
              However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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              • #8
                it should include some older city as well, Chang'an is now called Xi'an, but I prefer the older name, it was so famous.
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                • #9
                  It should be mentioned that Kowloon is most commonly knwn as only a district of HongKong so I don't think it would be too fair to include it.... Additionally, how the heck you can get a "X" sound from the Chinese version of Hong Kong is beyond me. Unless they used some non-English based traslation. I mean "zhou" actually sounds like what its supposed to sould like, and "Beijing" actually sounds like what its supposed to. Of course, I'd rather have the city names written out in Chinese, but that's just me.
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                  • #10
                    Civ starts in the beginning of history. Personally i like the old names better but thats just me. They seem to be more in place than Bejjing and other more common names. I dont know about most but Peking is a much better name IMO. To me the old city names make it feal more......i dont know how to put it......ancient. And the new names out of place.

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                    • #11
                      having city name written out in chinese is impossible, non-chinese player would not be able to tell which city it is.
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                      • #12


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                        • #13
                          Well, to reflect the historical renaming of big cities over time --(Peking/Bejing, Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul, St. Petersburg/Petrograd/Leningrad/St. Petersburg, Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City) -- everytime a civilization changes governments there should be a 20% chance that one of its cities will change its name.
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                          • #14
                            I think Alinestra Covelia has a valid point, and this post is not being taken very seriously. Firaxis should be consistent with their civs, and should be true to the historical names, in my opinion.

                            UberX: you said: "perhaps you would like them writren in Chinese itself, and dependening on region, mandrian or cantonese.

                            i dont play as china, so i really could care less. "

                            I don't know who you usually play as, but if I choose to play as the chinese all the time, and never play as your fav. civ, and I pay the same purchase price, aren't I entitled to the same quality in my civ, from the getgo, without having to alter files myself? (I can't help but wonder if this post would have been taken more seriously if the civ in question had been the Romans or something like that...)
                            The chinese characters idea is cheezy, I agree, but having the cities named in their native languages with a translation option or something would actually be a nice touch, and a painless one for the design team.

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                            • #15
                              A neverending source of pedantry VIII

                              Originally posted by FunkyGhost
                              To ADG:

                              not that it really matters ... but to be accurate: The island is called Bornholm and not Bonholm.
                              I don't think that Alinestra's the only pedant here.
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