AUSG101 - How to poll for the next turn block

[Rhothaerill]

This a poll on how to poll.

Seriously though, in the DAR threads there is a debate going on whether to have each team decide their next turn block or to have other teams decide their next turn block.

Pros of your own team deciding: quicker responses to get the next turn block going; more familiarity with your own team's game.

Cons of your own team deciding: less in the AU spirit as you will only be familiar with your team's goal and not see how the other teams are going about their team goals.

Pros of other teams deciding: more in the spirit of AU as you will be looking at other peoples saves more often; allows teams to see how the other team is proceeding with their game; more learning as you will have more exposure to the different strategies if you take the time to read the other teams DARs.

Cons of other teams deciding: unfamiliarity with the other team's DARs may lead to a less well-informed decision, time spent reading other team's DARs in the two day time period for decision making.

As an aside, it has been suggested that only one team review each team's DAR's if the second option is chosen. Therefore the domination team would choose for the opportunist team, the opportunist team would choose for the spaceship team, and the spaceship team would choose for the domination team.

Please post your vote before midnight EST on Tuesday as well as your reasoning for your vote in case there are more pros and cons than I have listed.

[Arrian]

I'll stick with my original response: own team decides, for the same reasons you mention as "pros" for that way of doing things.

I do see the argument for the other way, so it that's the way it shakes out it's fine by me. So long as we set it up with one team reviewing one other team's games, so we have a reasonable number of DARs to disect (I'll read 'em all, mind you, but if I'm supposedly a "judge" or sorts, I feel I have to devote more attention to detail, and I'd rather not do that with 12+ DARs per turn block).

-Arrian

[vmxa1]

I already mention my preference, but it is not a a life and death issue. So I am fine with what the final word turns out.

[sabrewolf]

i voted for "other team decides".
why? it brings in another sort of strategy.
the other team is tempted to vote for one of the not-so-good-savegames. but if they pursposely exadurate, in the next round, they are going to pay for it.

so all in all, it's the game theory coming in here in full extent

[Konquest02]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
the other team is tempted to vote for one of the not-so-good-savegames. but if they pursposely exadurate, in the next round, they are going to pay for it.

This shouldn't happen, as teams are asked to vote for the best played block. Teams are not in competition against one another so picking a not-so-good save will be irrelevant...

btw, I voted for voting on the other team's DAR...

--Kon--

[Panzer32]

Random

(not like i'm in any of the games though... just a thought )

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Panzer32
(not like i'm in any of the games though... just a thought )

You're welcome to join.

[BRC]

I gotta say own team decides. Part of the reason I chose opportunistic was that I would be able to see how others on my team handle this playstyle. I think that if another team chooses, then we could inadvertantly be pushed towards conquest or SS.

[Konquest02]

What we can do is to discuss inside our team and decide which save is the best one. Then, the final word goes to the people from the other team. They have to state which save is the best one and why.

That way, you might highlight some key points that have been missed by the "home" team.

Basically, it's a compromise where everyone has a word to say but the final decision remains outside the "home" team.

I admit it might be slower, but the two discussions can go on at the same time...

What do you think of this?

--Kon--

[Theseus]

Originally posted by BRC
I gotta say own team decides. Part of the reason I chose opportunistic was that I would be able to see how others on my team handle this playstyle. I think that if another team chooses, then we could inadvertantly be pushed towards conquest or SS.

I think it inherent that the judges acknowledge the style of the team they are judging... really, that is very important.

I want to see a warmonger judge a builder, and vice versa, and an opportunist judge a... uh, er, hmm...



Seriously, if I can sway the crowd here, I would very very very much like to see cross-team judging. AU spirit, education, stronger critiques, etc.

Also, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, it hasn't really been discussed much in these recent 'poly threads about what is now the AUSG, but this effort will result in a really fantastic educational opportunity... when we are done with this the first game (and, of course, each of the subsequent games), we will have a standard map that a hopefully great number of us have played, with critique and optimal performance. AND, a series of 'winning' block saves for future players to try / experience for themselves.

How simple a thing... "I want to try a builder approach... let me see how I do against the builder block save for 4000-2150 BC." What worked, and what didn't?

But what if that same new player then said, "I want to try WARMONGER!!"

Let us cross-pollinate, please... I am very passionate about this.

[Beta]

I agree with everything Theseus has said, but feel that it can still be done by voting for your own save. Which is what I voted for.

Some of my rationale is in the other thread.

[Mountain Sage]

I voted 'let's another team vote' because I like a 'neutral' view of what I have achieved so far.

Another problem: we are 3 teams of 6 players. What if there is a tie? 3/3 or 2/2/2? Who decides? Rhothaerill? (wouldn't mind).

[Dominae]

There are a bunch of problems wiht voting within your own team. Are you allowed to vote for yourself? Etc.

I think it will be much simpler if we cross-vote. That, and (again) all the stuff Theseus said (cross-POLYnate!? HAhaHA!).


Dominae

[Theseus]

Ties can be decided by Rhothy, NM, or even the third team.

[Rhothaerill]

I was planning to break any ties that may crop up. I'm not playing the games so I can be completely impartial for that. In the event I'm not around on Thursdays to break a tie (not likely that I won't be around) then Nuclear Master can break the tie.