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And Arrian's four-elite* cavalry army inspired me. In the game, I had a total 42 leaders:
2 vs. the Zulus
1 vs. America in my first attack
3 vs. the Mongols in my second war with them (the cavalry-era attack)
1 vs. America finishing off their last two cities
8 vs. the Vikings
3 vs. Japan
7 vs. the Mongols in my final war with them
17 in various wars on the second continent.
Arrian's putting four elite cavalry that generated leaders in a single army is quite impressive, considering that cavalry don't have the blitz advantage that tanks and modern armor do for becoming elite quickly and getting extra shots once they're elite. But in terms of raw hitting power, it's hard to beat this. (They're all MA's; the two that say "tank" had previously generated leaders as tanks in the Viking war and kept the name they won their initial fame under.)Attached FilesComment
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And finally, here's my overall military at the end of the game. By the way, most of the armies are empty; I preferred having the units fight as individuals, both to get a greater number of attacks and because armies don't (to the best of my knowledge) produce leaders. Some of the armies come from leaders, and some from the Thebes Military Academy.Attached FilesComment
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Is that a huge enough AAR for a huge-map game?
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nbarclay...
Good God man but that's a long AAR.
Good read however. I'm impressed, 42 leaders. I don't know if I've gotten a total of 42 leaders out of all my games. Great job.
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I finally managed to finish my AU 207 game yesterday. I played the French on Monarch and won by a spaceship launch in 1838, with a fairly respectable score of 4295 (but who cares about score?!?). Give me some time to put up a good AAR together and to finish my exams and I'll report it to you.
Impressive game Nathan. 42 leaders is a he11 of a lot of leaders! Keep up the good work!
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Great game, Nathan, and yes, big huge AAR... good one, lots'o fun.
What kind of building did you do along the way?
How about diplo and trade?
42 GLs... sheesh.
The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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Nathan, great AAR! And 42 leaders! Wow. Then again...
35 of them were generated with blitz attackers. Impressive, nonetheless.8 vs. the Vikings
3 vs. Japan
7 vs. the Mongols in my final war with them
17 in various wars on the second continent.
What I found to be more impressive was the attack you launched on Zululand & Germany AT THE SAME TIME. That's ballsy.
Also, managing to recover from the Japanese attack.
Anyway, good job! The warmongers have made a pretty good showing. Waitin' on Theseus now!
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Great AAR Nathan,
42 leaders! And how many of those did you get when you actually had nothing you needed them for? 
It seems to me from all these AARs that there are definite advantages to the huge map game, and it does seem especially easier for the warmonger and builder alike.badamsComment
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Plenty of early granaries, of course.Originally posted by Theseus
Great game, Nathan, and yes, big huge AAR... good one, lots'o fun.
What kind of building did you do along the way?
How about diplo and trade? And temples to fight a cultural battle with Babylon hoping I might be able to flip a city before our fight started, but that didn't pan out. But other than that, until the war with the Germans and Zulus was taken care of, I focused mostly on barracks and troops. (You don't build your WC force size up to eighty-someodd while fighting a two-front war by building libraries!) So when that war ended, I was horribly behind on peacetime infrastructure.
Here are a few snapshots of my situation from various saves:
530 AD (after the American/Japanese war fiasco): Few if any aqueducts, so only a few river cities are over size 6. Mostly building libraries and then marketplaces (with the libraries being the higher priority because I'd built up a huge cash surplus during the war and was researching at a massive deficit trying to catch up in tech using branch leads). Netting 50 gpt from other civs.
820 AD (as I started my successful attack on America): Most core cities working on Universities (since I have plenty of troops for the invasion). Researching Physics at 50%, but probably still a long way away from a 4-turn research pace. (Four turns are left, at 50%, the best I can do without a deficit, but at 100%, it would be two. I'm not sure how far I was into my research at the time.) Having to run the luxury slider at 20% due to a lack of luxuries definitely doesn't help! Netting 112 gpt from other civs.
910 AD (after negotiating deals with the other continent): Core cities working mostly on cavalry, cathedrals, or universities (listed in reverse order of priority). Still no luxuries being imported quite yet because I hate paying cash for them (especially with how much territory I controlled), but raking in 333 gpt from other civs. Researching Magnetism at a six-turn pace, but don't have Theory of Gravity yet.
1030 AD (after the Mongol war fought with cavalry): Four turns away from Industrilaization at 100% research, thanks to 648 gpt from other civs, and running a 200+ gold surplus that I can use for some rush building. It looks like I traded Magnetism to start importing wines, dyes, and gems the next turn after my report above. Building mostly cavalry and banks in my core, since I can't do factories or infantry yet.
1150 AD: Starting research on Corporation on a 4-turn pace at 70% science, with a surplus of almost 1600 gpt - 1499 of it from other civs. Needless to say, I'm rushing improvements like crazy in outlying areas. Thebes is finished with its factory and started on what will ultimately be an unsuccessful attempt at Smith's Trading Company. The other core cities are pretty much all working on factories, except for El-Amarna, which is working on our Iron Works. I'm now importing all five luxuries not readily available on my home continent, obtained in tech-for-luxuries-plus-whatever-else-I-can-get deals.
I won't keep going past that on the economic front, but my foreign income stayed in the 1500 gpt range for a long time. That helped me rush enough improvements to make essentially my entire empire, even including most of the Viking cities once I conquered them, at least marginally productive. By the end of the game, my economy was so strong that I could do four-turn modern research with the luxury slider at 20% and still make a profit even if I didn't have any foreign income. (At that point, my foreign income was down to just 101 gpt from Korea because there wasn't much else left in the way of foreign civs to trade with.)
Regarding diplomacy, I had no interest in alliances in any of my wars until I got mad at the Arabs (and my alliance there was as much to keep them from getting alliances or MPPs against me as anything else). I would have loved to get the Mongols in on my first war with Japan, but it wasn't worth committing to a 20-turn war for. I used ROP agreements with Japan in my first two big assaults on America, and let Tokugawa talk me into a MPP (something very rare for me) not long after the second American war. I figured with me between the Mongols and Japan and no other major powers on the continent, the odds were against my actually being called on to fight, and it would't exactly have broken my heart to have Japan fight the Mongols even if it would mean my getting dragged in. Also, a MPP was a lot cheaper than building a solid defense; my military strategy allowed for the fact that if Japan attacked, I would almost certainly lose cities, but I could draft ample troops to prevent further progress if the worst came. I also had a ROP agreement with the Mongols for quite a while, which, as I noted before, I used in my attack on America.
One more note on trade: I was quite happy to sell luxuries to anyone who could still afford them after the exorbitant prices I charged for tech, or who I could get all available gold and gpt from selling luxuries instead of tech.
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Well well done, Nathan.
I've been starting to look back at the early Mini-Tourney and AU games (thanks, badams!!), and, as usual for almost a year (
) you have been more efficient / direct than I. And it's interesting, in certain ways we play out similar strategies (although I have always played most similar to Arrian (CP notwithstanding), but invariably end up with very different games.
All that said... I FINISHED AU207!!!
Dear G*d... feels like I gave birth.The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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Looking forward to your AAR, Theseus.Comment
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Ditto.
What level did you play on again, Theseus?
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Originally posted by nbarclay
In the game, I had a total 42 leaders:
Ummm, I got 3 GLs in a game once.
That's what I get for never fighting a war unless absolutely necessary and then fighting the shortest war humanly possible.
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Hi everybody...
Well I was gonna go back to before my awful decision to hold the UN vote and see how my game would have ended up anyways. But with the site going down and all I decided against doing it now. And now I don't have time since it's vacation time for me. But I will be back to join in on a AU game again.
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