Upcoming AU Course

[Tassadar500]

Ok I already have an idea for the first AU course that involves Conquests. It won't be like other AU courses because there will be no specific goal. It will just be the best way to play one of the Conquests. Now this thread is to discuss what civilization to play and what Conquest.

[Harovan]

Dutch. Both new traits (agricultural + seafaring) and a 1.4.1 pikeman, friggin' unbelievable. Random game, no conquest scenario.

[Tarquinius]

yay! The Dutchies will rule like they once did!
Only they won't be a commercial power in this game
(how can Holland be a civ without a commercial trait?? Just unbelievable )

[alva]

Getverdemme..

I absolutely refuse to play as the Dutch, dammit
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Sounds like a good game, you can (probably) count me in.

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Dutch. Both new traits (agricultural + seafaring) and a 1.4.1 pikeman, friggin' unbelievable. Random game, no conquest scenario.

How can anyone match this 1.4.1 pikeman? It might be a better UU than Sipahi.

[Harovan]

In its time it is something like an equivalent to the Hoplite. The hoplite is a 3-defender in a time, where the best attack is also 3 (save the Immortal), while the Swiss mercenary is a 4-defender in a time, when the best attack is also 4. Not overpowered, methinks.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

It strikes me, in considering the Dutch traits and UU combination, that they are reallly being set up to be as they historically were - a tiny nation with vast overseas holdings.

Of course, this will only really work out if the program starts placing player/AI start locations closer together on more limited land, to recreate that European experience of HAVING to expand overseas.

The 1.4.1 will allow the Dutch to defend themselves from the nearby Germans, Spanish, French and English while being able to go seize the Congo etc. in the meantime.

Of course, the revamped Vikings may give the Dutch a run for their money...

It makes me upset that the French will probably not be considered Seafaring. Some of the trait reassignments look really stupid... but this is a topic for another thread.

[Arrian]

It makes me upset that the French will probably not be considered Seafaring.

The French? Seafaring?

Anyway, regarding the Dutch UU, in SP I don't think any defensive UU can match the top offensive UUs. In MP, it's another story altogether.

-Arrian

[Dominae]

I would like the first AU course to be an epic (random) game, just to try out all the new stuff. In fact, I think it would be a good idea to do:

"The Power of Seafaring"
"The Power of Agricultural"

After that, I agree with Nuclear Master that it would be great fun to proceed to one of the Conquests. This would be an esoteric departure from standard AU, but it's not going to be esoteric for long when everyone realizes how fun the Conquest scenarios really are.


Dominae

[Tassadar500]

I will respect peoples decision here. We already have some new course ideas. Let's do the power of Seafaring first. Choose a civ.

[Stuie]

Byzantines!

... or Portugal. If we're doing Seafaring, I'd like to include a naval UU.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Arrian
The French? Seafaring?

One of the premiere "Seafaring" civilizations of history! The French empire rivalled the English and Spanish empires, and far surpassed the Dutch. The French possed "Lousianna," a fairly massive colonial holding, as well as Quebec, most of West Africa, possessions in South America and the Pacific Islands, and holdings in India for a long time. They surpassed the Portugese and Dutch period... as the years went by, their overseas holdings also surpassed the Spanish... only the English always had the upper hand over the French.

The French Admiral deGrasse administered the famous "coup" that bears his name at sea, after all.

Now, perhaps the Byzantines, who controlled the Eastern Meditterrean and Black Sea - whoop di doo - could be industrious, and the French could be seafaring. Or perhaps the Byzantines could be taken out of the game entirely and replaced with a more unique civilization - but I'm getting way OT.

Point is, the French traits are appropriate, but Seafaring would be just as appropriate as Industrious, and historically, the French were every bit as Seafaring as the Portugese, Spanish, Dutch and English.

On the other hand, the Chinese have a ocean-worthy fleet in 1421... there's only so many traits a civilization can have.

[Tassadar500]

Yahweh Sabaoth could we stray back on topic?

[Arrian]

"Power of Seafaring" should probably be the English, then, don't you think?

-Arrian

[Dominae]

Byzantines. Sooo fun.