Lucky Civs

[War4ever]

I just play the mongols...they were a warrior race...i am a warrior.....

but really it makes no difference to me, especially since i reset until there are no techs when i play the ai....

though i have played out some starts where i had tech, all that told me was there were ciites to take over close by

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Precisely... although the SG's research did indicate, all other things being equal, that the light blue civs do seem to get more techs.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
The higher 'up' in the play order that a Civ is (white-highest, purple-lowest) plays a role in determining how good the starting land will be. The white Civ is placed first, giving it the best land...

While you are indeed correct... sometimes the computer and you don't agree on what the "best" land is

Also... in a MP game with more than two players... It will in many cases place the White Civ in the middle of the board... surrounded by everybody else

[DrSpike]

If you play with more than one continent white also often cannot use black map clicking......which is another potential disadvantage.

[rah]

Yes, some turns it worked and some turns it didn't. We were never able to figure out what the pattern/cause of that was. I haven't played white in quite a while so I had forgotten about that.

And I agree with Ming that what the software considers a good starting position doesn't always match my definition.

[War4ever]

the software determines good starts by the amount of food IIRC...which in MP is usually the least important thing on my list....

i am looking for trade, with ONE or two good squares...not abunch of grass with crap around them..

[Ming]

Yeah... a four pattern with all food, and no production or trade anywhere to be seen. And the AI is licking it's chops...

[rah]

Originally posted by Ming
Yeah... a four pattern with all food, and no production or trade anywhere to be seen. And the AI is licking it's chops...

And Ming is saying "THIS BLOWWWWWWSSSSS"

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by rah
And I agree with Ming that what the software considers a good starting position doesn't always match my definition.

Clearly I should have qualified my observation that white gets the 'best' land. Obviously 'best' is best to the AIs reasoning.

Still, I've occasionally been stuck on a pole with an orange Civ... and several times with purple. White may not get any objectively better land than say, green or yellow, but they never seem to get a polar start, either.

So what's the 'ideal' start for everyone? Trade specials for sure... rivered grass with a couple of golds/whales/wines in the radius?

Last night I started a game with a 3 whale/1 pheasant starting location... founded a second city, wandered a bit, and put my third city down on another 3 whale site. To me, that's a great start - many other good sites around, too.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

So what's the 'ideal' start for everyone? Trade specials for sure... rivered grass with a couple of golds/whales/wines in the radius?

Last night I started a game with a 3 whale/1 pheasant starting location... founded a second city, wandered a bit, and put my third city down on another 3 whale site. To me, that's a great start - many other good sites around, too.

Hehe don't think many would cry over that start........though of course there are people who cry over their start by rote no matter what they get.

[Scouse Gits]

I only got three whales :sob:

SG[1]

[Ming]

In MP games... whining is not only expected, it's required

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Hehe don't think many would cry over that start........though of course there are people who cry over their start by rote no matter what they get.

The only crying I would do would involve the fact that the 1st city wasn't placed until @3400BC, and the 3d city didn't get put down until @2500 BC due to a lot of wandering picking up huts

Otherwise, had I been able to found on both of those 2 sites before 3500BC, I don't see why I couldn't get all the early wonders and Monarchy before 3000

Anyway that game will have to be put aside in favour of the succession turns I promised to play

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Ming
In MP games... whining is not only expected, it's required

Hehe a necessary skill perhaps. I do like going back over afterwards and correlating icq/king chat whining with actual experience. It is often very amusing.

*cough* Markus *cough*.

[ottok]

Lucky Civs?

Ugh mee,i play all (even barbiaans?!with civ2hack)

But really,in civ2, i think that there has no ONE...

maybe it whoos leader is best... But anyway?
Someone is better ships and other use Air units good
but i say "mix is best,or it is?"

And some ones builds good deffended cities! With city walls and missiles and SDI! and lot of mechings and air units...