Searching for OCC strategies

[Elephant]

Originally posted by LDiCesare
Elephant:
I think Leo is mostly useless in OCC. To me auto is much more worthwhile than tactics because it provides more trade whereas tactics provides just units. I usually leave feudalism and chivalry out of the path for as long as I can.

I've been trying it out both ways and I can see your point. I was writing a redraft of my Tech Plan to add an option for Early Auto. I really like the upgrades of ships, dips, and caravans, but the cost/benefit is probably not there. The other civs often go for the more military techs anyway, so you'll get them in trade. I'm a big fan of Marco Polo, for techs, maps, and attitude adjustments. Ship a Dip along with a caravan to establish an embassy and you don't have to worry about Communism. And you can buy some NONEs along the way...

[ramses II.]

It might be a good strategy to delay the launch of his spaceship if you 've got fusion power and wait until the other civs have started their spaceships. They will do that as soon as possible.

If you start first, the other civs will build SS components until they can overtake you - perhaps they invent fusion power.

Maybe you should give them the last needed techs (e.g for the modules) to force them to launch their ships with the minimum numbers of components ...

Dear OCC experts - what do you think oft that strategy?

I'm no expert in OCC, but meanwhile I win 2 of 3 games.

[War4ever]

are there still all those OCC game saves, ie like the 4 whale one, i tried to play some occ today and believe me, i had to restart so many times just looking for a good spot to build

[rah]

I never want my opponents building spaceships in OCC games, building only one piece a turn when they can build 10+ is never a good idea.

[War4ever]

i have to admit, when i OCC, i am not nearly as good as Paul or any of the other geniuses....but its not hard to win....like rah said, i tend not to give much away, and tend to be quite hostile in my large single city empire

[rah]

Me too. But I usually get so much fun out of kicking butt, that I ignore all the tradional strats and just listen to the little boy in me. Hence, I win, but never come anywhere close to the records.

[War4ever]

i have a hard time playing peacefully....i like to crush things, so finding that city i can bribe units from early on, and building leos , hehe, allows me to fullfill part of my habits, while eventually winning the damm game

[rah]

Yes, so do I. My MP experience has made me a bit to blood thirsty.

[War4ever]

there is not much compassion in MP games is there? I never was one of those who had much compassion for the ai either....no wonder i chose my nickname(s)

[SCG]

Originally posted by War4ever
are there still all those OCC game saves, ie like the 4 whale one, i tried to play some occ today and believe me, i had to restart so many times just looking for a good spot to build

just thought i'd point it out for those interested
currently, there are links to 5 comparison game saves (including the 4 whales) and 25 OOC fortnight saves off of Paul's OOC strategy guide (see great library index for link).

[Alice]

Just out of curiosity, how many turns do you spend exploring for a good site? What's the latest you would recommend for founding your first city?
Sorry if this has been already discussed.

[SCG]

there was a thread a couple of years ago where waiting several milinia and still winning games, not sure exactly where that thread is atm. A good responce would be 'as long as it takes' since the more techs the AI has, the quicker you can research, and the goal in OCC is to ally and let the AI help you to the best of your ability. Also keep in mind, in OCC once you found your city, you have to use your settlers/engineers to change the terrain to make the site better. That takes time as well, and if you find a site with several trade specials, you can often do the work without slowing city growth and output. That alone is worth several extra turns of exploration. There was one OCC fortnight game where the designer tried to damage our reputation by having us sneak attack and destroy 4 civilizations so we could found our city. I think a couple people in that senario packed up and left, exploring till possibly the 1800's BC and still managed similar landing times. Would have to search the archived threads to verify that as well...

[War4ever]

wow, i don't wander much longer than one 1k years..after that i restart and look for another site

[SCG]

OCC fortnight #13 was the OCC game i was trying to think of and my memory is a little faulty. I founded my city in 2950 and managed an 1869 landing. I remember thinking if i had wandered a little more i could have found better terrain... SG(1) founded his city in 3350 and did an 1853 landing.

edit: fix link

[Alice]

well, I don't like restarting the game (although I do it from time to time ), I usually rush the founding of my first city only to find a better spot just a few squares away . So, I'll follow your advice I guess, and spend dome more time exploring