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**Adam Smith** · March 11, 2001, 01:10

Yes, you can (and should) boost the trade bonus by putting all those workers on the highest trade squares just before landing the caravan, AND PUTTING THEM BACK ON THE ORIGINAL SQUARES BEFORE THE TURN ENDS!. Since you claim to be lazy, you will probably be happy to know that you can move all the sea workers back to land squares by clicking on any land square in the city radius. Note, however, that this will not necessarily return the workers to their ORIGINAL land squares, so you may still have to do some micromanaging.

**Ming** · March 11, 2001, 06:03

If you are playing single play... go ahead.
Do that for every caravan in a MP game, and people will stop playing with "a slow" player

It will indeed help the beakers and money bonus you get... but once you move the workers back, the regular turn by turn bonus will be what it is

**Hermann the Lombard** · March 12, 2001, 11:55

Thanks, Adam & Ming!

Yeah, there is still some micro-managing to be done if I just click on a land square. In this ICS-based game I usually want to maximize shields, and the default seems to maximize food. And slow, me? NEVER! That is, to those who don't think 30 minutes per turn is slow.

One of MANY reasons I have avoided multiplayer!!!!!!

**La Fayette** · March 13, 2001, 12:03

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Originally posted by Hermann the Lombard on 03-12-2001 10:55 AM
Thanks, Adam & Ming!

And slow, me? NEVER! That is, to those who don't think 30 minutes per turn is slow.

One of MANY reasons I have avoided multiplayer!!!!!!

Ask SlowThinker. I think he uses about one week/turn on the average

**SlowThinker** · March 13, 2001, 21:11

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Originally posted by La Fayette on 03-13-2001 11:03 AM
Ask SlowThinker. I think he uses about one week/turn on the average

Not week but months. I have started my first Civ game and I am in 4000 B.C. I didn't find that best continuation yet.

**Hermann the Lombard** · March 14, 2001, 00:30

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Originally posted by SlowThinker on 03-13-2001 08:11 PM

Originally posted by La Fayette on 03-13-2001 11:03 AM
Ask SlowThinker. I think he uses about one week/turn on the average

Not week but months. I have started my first Civ game and I am in 4000 B.C. I didn't find that best continuation yet.

**jake03** · March 14, 2001, 01:36

One of MANY reasons I have avoided multiplayer!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Ask SlowThinker. I think he uses about one week/turn on the average

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Is there a faster Way? Don't scare me if so my pets may never eat!

**Scouse Gits** · March 14, 2001, 06:07

Way to go, Hermann! Handling that lot in an hour a turn is seriously good going!
The last few Succession Games that SG(2) and I have tackled together have generally taken between two and three hours simply to decide what changes need to be made to city production, tax rate etc before we even hit the end turn button to start our go.

Just as a general query -- Hermann, do you use copious notes to help you handle all that trade? SG(2) has the kind of (twisted ) mind that allows him to hack it without notes -- I certainly can't and consequently play a very much simplified variant.

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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

**Marquis de Sodaq** · March 14, 2001, 12:04

Good going, SG(2) and Hermann! Trade is good - as noted above, fast tech advances and fat coffers are the result of massive trade. You plan to conquer the world? Great, saturate the planet with your caravans for a few game centuries, and you'll be fighting with cavalry against phalanx and maybe one or two civs with pikemen. The AI will be lucky to have gunpowder before you have bombers pummeling their cities. With Adam Smith's, there's no need to tax. Just budget science and luxuries, and watch those light blue-clad citizens smile...

I never expand ICS style by any means, but moving caravans/freight from at least half my cities is typical. It does help to be able to remember twenty commodity/demand combos, tho. Otherwise it could get downright tiring hitting F5 all evening.

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**Scouse Gits** · March 14, 2001, 16:49

You must complete the game - it sounds like a classic sleaze!

To be fair when Sid made CIV 2, and came to the trade interface - well, it must have been like when the Gits get together - he messed it up!

I use very arbitary rules with trade:

Dye, Silk, Spice, Silver, Copper, Wine (yes, if you are a Scouse!) seem good news most of the time.
Hides can repeat (as can silk) so always check the demand.
Salt, Cloth, Beads are early game commodities and come from/to small new cities. Beads can surprise you!
Gold is a joker - always check if anyone needs it. This seems to fluctuate more than any other commodity. Gems can be similar to Gold - but usually in slightly wider demand.
Wool is a funny one; it almost fits the Cloth/Salt category but some large cities often need it later (1700's) in the game.
Coal and Oil are frequently supplied early on - but with no demand. In the later centuries watch these products.
Uranium - modern times only - great when you can find a city that supplies the stuff!!

This is not theory just "empirical" gut feelings during the games I have played trading. I have done no (clinical) testing to support the above!

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**Hermann the Lombard** · March 15, 2001, 01:43

<<
Just as a general query -- Hermann, do you use copious notes to help you handle all that trade? SG(2) has the kind of (twisted ) mind that allows him to hack it without notes -- I certainly can't and consequently play a very much simplified variant.
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SG(1),

Your twisted compadre got me into this mess. Yes, I use copious notes, or at least that's what I'm using for THIS much trade. Basically, as each new caravan is created, I note the origin city, the cargo, and the intended destination (if I can figure that out on the fly). Something like "Pul:Co->Was" meaning "Pullman: Coal to Washington" or "aAnc:Sv->SpSev" for "(Alaska) Anchorage: Silver to Spanish Seville." Originally, I had a list of cities which had a route to my SSC. At each new caravan, if the city did not yet have a route to the SSC, I'd send the caravan there (unless I had a good foreign demand, which was at that stage usually a mistake). Later those entries might look like "Pul*2" meaning that Pullman had two routes to the SSC.

So then as each caravan becomes active, I check the list to see where the h*ll I wanted it to go. Sometimes I'd make a separate list of cargo grouped on a single ship, just to be able to find the info easier. I have another list of the cities which have food routes to the SSC, and of cities with food caravans waiting to build wonders. Finally there is a list of "To Do" such as "Pul:Min" meaning "Pullman needs a mine." How about, "Hermann needs a life!"

Oh, and I finally gave up and used the back of an envelope to list demands for each product, because I was sick of opening that damned screen over and over and over. I only started this when most caravans now go abroad unless the SSC has a demand for them.

Ship chains are now in place to the Sioux and to Greece, and a single chain is now stretching toward Russia and Spain. Trade from my "colonies" is still by single ships which have yet to complete a round trip. I'm getting tired enough that I'm not sure I'll complete the game.

-- Hermann

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