victory on emperor - thanks to all

[East Street Trader]

Marko

Don't worry too much about Horse. He is the official Apolyton troll (that is a guy who posts with the sole intention of provocation). Thing is, he got the title (I'll whisper this in case he's listening) by being one of the nicest guys around.

He's also a reasonably prolific poster so even if Lord of the Mark hasn't come across him much yet he soon will. Assuredly so if he makes a visit or two to off topic.

After a bit, its kind of hard to be much offended or outraged - although we try so as to keep the poor fellow's trolling spirits up. So well done with the response.

[/whisper]

Horse. Know you not that the Lord of the Mark is beloved of Shadowfax and your fellows in the great herds of Rohan? I fear you have besmirched an ancient friendship with this trollish slight. You will be lucky if Gandalf does not consign you to live out your miserable days in a drafty cave with naught but an ancient shin bone to chew on.

Edit to adda point on the Gardens. I am no sleazer so can live without the Gardens happily enough. But if you do have them I rather like the permanent celebration which the three happy faces in the city with the Gardens in brings. Early on this means that the Gardens are also acting a bit like the Collosus. And Gardens PLUS Collosus can be awesome.

The point though, is to mention that you do want to keep three martial law units in that city otherwise an unhappy is likely to appear and to interupt the celebration.
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[Bereta_Eder]

quote: Originally posted by Edward on 02-02-2001 12:42 PM Paiktis22: Once you have the Hanging Gardens, units in a city will actually make the city less happy (they confuse and mess up the Gardens' effect).

FFS

How can this be explained? The soldiers get mesmerised by the gardens or the awe of them and forget to beat down the citizens?

Or they feel more comfortable with the wonder and they again forget to do their job?

Ah... the grander of Mike's Chapel

Of course the challenge is to play WITHOUT any wonders

I'll give this a try in Deity (much later )

Thanx guys.

[Bereta_Eder]

Got it - conquest - HG made it all possible!

(I saw some crazy things to the happiness roster of some of my cities - I was actually afraid to play perfectionist because I wasn't sure I could keep all the cities in one piece!)

I didn't notice anything different in comparison to emperor (happiness ecluded) except that the AI units were actually TOUGHER to destroy? (or maybe it's my idea).

[Scouse Gits]

Well done player (punter)-- it really is not that hard once you have done it a few times!! Amazing how easily the impossible can be performed!

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[Theben]

They shouldn't be any tougher to destroy, except that barb units will have a higher ATT strength. Also AI growth, construction, research, etc., will be faster.

[Bereta_Eder]

Let me tell you disresputable person from Liverpool , the first two times I've tried I was calculating to the last detail.

And did that matter? No. The russians kicked my butt and my calculations with it while I was trying to gain control of my psychotic citizens.

So the third (and lucky as we say) time I just built HG and played one of my most aggresive games ever.

From that point on there was no turning back: world conquest or the whole empire would fold back on itself

The next time I am going to try my favorite way of playing: perfectionism - even if it kills me

[Edward]

Congrats, lord of the mark! As Marko_Polo said, that first emperor victory feels wonderful. You should be proud.

Don't pay too much attention to how the game rates your power - especially in the early years. An early peaceful expansionist will start out with small cities, few units, and low "power". You'll blow by those AI in the later years when you stop expanding and start growing.

Paiktis22: Is Hanging Gardens "equally important as Mike" in Deity? No. You can struggle along without the Hanging Gardens until Michaelangelo's Chapel comes up. However, as others have stated, the Hanging Gardens can be very helpful in deity since happiness is such a big concern. In fact I've changed my research order to Monarchy, Trade, Colossus, Hanging Gardens. One warning - Civ2 implements the Hanging Gardens very oddly. Usually under monarchy, more units in your city make it happier. Once you have the Hanging Gardens, units in a city will actually make the city less happy (they confuse and mess up the Gardens' effect). Once you get the Hanging Gardens, don't have more than one military unit in any city (unless of course they're needed for defense). Once you get Michaelangelo's Cathedral you can beef up your border cities with units again.

p.s. for lord of the mark: When I laid out those guidelines, I didn't realize that incremental rush building of caravans is cheaper than rush building wonders. Now I'd suggest either getting together enough caravans to build the wonder before you even have the tech (# caravans = shield cost of wonder / 50) or max your taxes and rush buy caravans (instead of waiting to have enough gold to rush buy the wonder). Units (like the caravan) are very expensive to rush buy from just a couple shields because the more unit shields you rush buy in one pop, the more they cost per shield. However if you cheat and pretend that you want to build say a warrior - it only costs 2 gold per shield (much less than the 4 gold per shield for a wonder). Change to a warrior and rush buy it. Then immediately rush buy a phalanx. (Again, the computer lets you buy those "last" few shields cheaply.) Then buy an elephant or diplomat. Rush buy an engineer. Finally rush buy that caravan. You'll save a lot of gold during your accelerated wonder completion.

Sounds like your current game is going well. Good luck on deity!

[MBloomIII]

quote: <font size=1>Originally posted by Edward on 02-02-2001 12:42 PM</font> Usually under monarchy, more units in your city make it happier. Once you have the Hanging Gardens, units in a city will actually make the city less happy (they confuse and mess up the Gardens' effect). Once you get the Hanging Gardens, don't have more than one military unit in any city (unless of course they're needed for defense). Once you get Michaelangelo's Cathedral you can beef up your border cities with units again.

It's like..man..what's up with all the fuzz trying to keep us down, man. Dude, we got THE GARDENS to keep us happy. We don't need THE MAN trying to beat us down. What's so funny 'bout Peace, Love, and Understanding? Hey man, who's got the Dorito's?

Peace!
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[Alexander's Horse]

Oh COME ON! He wins at Emperor and everyone starts doing cartwheels? I could train a monkey to win at Emperor! What is this? "My Left Foot II"?

Learned Helplessness.



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[Scouse Gits]

quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 02-03-2001 09:37 AM I could train a monkey to win at Emperor!

strange ... thought you would have already taught your friends ...

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[Eli]

I should really come here more often...

I stuck at king for two years.

[Shaka Naldur]

quote: No, don't give ICS a go. It is an ABOMINATION I say an ABOMINATION.

what is ICS?,

[Thoth]

quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur on 02-04-2001 07:06 AM what is ICS?,

Infinite City Sleaze. A strategy for those with no self-respect. Build as many citys as you can, as closse together as possible, build nothing other than settlers and the cheapest military units available.

(I'm sure the SGs can elaborate a little more)

[Scouse Gits]

With Pleasure...

For a detailed guide to playing the Infinite City Strategy try DaveV's great work here.
There are several variations once you have mastered the basics - it can be fun playing in Republic - and if you care to look at kcbob's no ICS Perfection Succession game on the Civ2-General thread that has become remarkably like ICS with wide spacing under Democracy!!!

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[La Fayette]

Congratulations lotm
I hope AH was joking (though I'm afraid he wasn't).
Don't bother: we all remember how it was when we started playing civ, and we all know that any first victory at a given level is an accomplishment. Hurrah!

About ICS:
I agree with SG: Dave V's paper is well written and convincing.
But i don't feel like playing hard core ICS, for ONE reason: the double black faces.
IMHO this is a bug.
Taking advantage of that bug makes civ2 a different game that I don't feel like playing now, though I am convinced that the bug makes ICS very powerful (and I have not a word to say against those who enjoy playing ICS: hello! ).



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