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**Ming** · October 12, 1999, 11:59

As always Paul... Congratulations on ANOTHER fine OCC game. Granted, it's not as good as your best. But considering that it was the Island map, not bad

When are you going to get MP?
Some of us might chip in and buy it for you

**Paul** · October 12, 1999, 15:32

Me not having MP is not a matter of money. Or at least not the cost of the game; it would be the resulting phone bill that might be a problem. Anyway, I am moving soon and when I'm settled at my new place I'll think about getting MP.

**Carolus Rex** · October 12, 1999, 19:20

I haven't kept a log.

I'm in the 1860s and it will be quite a challenge for me to make it on the "right" side of 1900...

I'll post the landing date anyway, once I'm finished.

Carolus

**Winston** · November 17, 1999, 06:17

Finally convinced myself to try one of the saved games - this one - after playing numerous enjoyable OCC games of my own. Landed in 1863 (launch: 1848), only 28 years (14 turns) after Paul. That really made my day!

And I'd like once again to thank Paul for sharing his strategies on OCC and spurring the debate on this on the forums. It has been invaluable to me and my understanding of the game as a whole.

I didn't keep a log of the game, but made some observations along the way:

1) I think a key factor was establishing very early trade routes with a nearby Barbarian city. I sent 5 caravans there as soon as I could. They didn't meet any demand, but nonetheless yielded about 200 gold/beakers each, and more importantly: Some much needed additional trade arrows early on.

2) The isolation of Rome on the island ensured a very peaceful game. I only had four direct encounters with the AI: Two Barbarian landings, one American caravan and a late game attack by the Spanish with a knight and a catapult. I defended with a NON archer all the way till the launch, and only built one chariot to catch a Barb leader.

Not much luck with diplomacy, though. No tribute at all, and only by the skin of my teeth did I manage to get an alliance with the Americans mid-game. About 500 gold worth of gifts total, and a few tech trades. Usually I interact a lot more with the AI and trade techs on a regular basis, but this game may cause me to be more isolationistic in the future.

3) The two continent trading. In my earlier tries I didn't apply this strategy to its full extent, but this game I really learned how well it pays off. 5 or 6 freights to the Germans and the Americans, and woohoo!: Ca. 4500 gold/beakers, enough to go shopping for all the Modules and Components you'll ever need!

4) I delayed the research of Democracy for about 15 turns, taking a direct path to Refrigeration. In other words, I stayed in republic right until the 80% cap on science prevented me from maintaining the 2 turn advance rate. I think this was a benefit, as I could go through the final WLTLD celebration that much sooner.

4) On the down side: This game played some tricks on me, science wise, that I haven't seen to this extent before. Around the discovery of Automobile/Miniaturization, it became next to impossible to optimize science to meet the beaker requirements. I'm usually very focused on this (thanks to the discussions in this forum), and I've never had the game drag me around like this before. Example: Once, the number of beakers required jumped from 1932 to 2939 for the next and back to 1988 for the third advance. Not to mention the usual tricks of changing the beakers needed in mid-research; this seemed to be the rule rather than the exception in this game after Flight.

I sure wish I had kept a log now, but it seems so tiresome to do during the game. Really appreciate the work of Paul, Carolus and others, though. It's been most helpful.

**tonic** · October 21, 2000, 08:46

I made an alliance with only one civ and as a result of a dishonorable reputation was not able to change that. Therefore only one source of gold. But even with all the other civs to give away techs the science rate was lower overall than in most OCC games - hence the relatively late AC landing.

2.42 Deity

AC: 1829

Monarchy: -2050
Republic: -525
Democracy: 380

Colossus: -1300
Copernicus: -250
Shakespeare: 160
Newton: 660
Darwin: 1240
Apollo: 1766

Trade routes: -600, -325, -300

Size 12: -325
Size 21: 360

Trade: -800
Construction: -800
Sanitation: -125
Refrigeration: 880
Automobile: 1220
Computers: 1590
Space Flight: 1764

3600 BC Rome founded
3350 BC Ceremonial Burial
2950 BC Mapmaking
2900 BC Trireme
2550 BC Code of Laws
2500 BC Hut: 25
2200 BC Sioux: peace
2100 BC Monarchy revolution
2050 BC Govt. Monarchy
Hut: Masonry
1750 BC Germans: exchange Pottery
1600 BC Writing
Sioux: Alliance + Gift of Horseback Riding
1400 BC Sioux: exchange Maths
1350 BC Sioux: accept 100g to declare war on Americans
1300 BC Colossus
1200 BC Temple
1000 BC Barb Leader: 150
975 BC Currency Library
Hut: Elephant
925 BC Hut: 50
900 BC Marketplace
875 BC Spanish: Peace
800 BC Trade
Sioux: exchange Construction
Americans: Ceasefire
Zulus: exchange Mysticism - Peace
775 BC Silk Caravan built
675 BC Hides Caravan built
Spanish: War for refusing to withdraw Horseman: next to Hut!
Hut: 50
650 BC Sioux: 100g for declaring war on Germans
600 BC Literacy Disband Warrior
Beads Caravan built
Silk to Little Bighorn (demanded) 207
575 BC Republic Colosseum
550 BC revolution Zulus destroyed by Germans?
525 BC Govt Republic Aqueduct Start WLTCD
Hut: Legion
Americans: Peace
350 BC Astronomy
Spanish: Peace
Sioux: 25
325 BC Pop: 12 Stop WLTCD
Hides to Madrid (not demanded) 209
300 BC Philosophy Medicine
Beads to Madrid (not demanded) 206
275 BC Wheel Sioux: 25
150 BC Engineering
Dye to Little Bighorn (demanded) 266
Germans: peace
125 BC Sanitation
Spanish: exchange Iron Working
50 BC Seafaring

AD 1 Germans undertake Shakespeare's Theatre
20 University
60 Barb Leader: 150 Disband supported Warrior
100 Banking
Salt to Little Bighorn (not demanded) 290
140 Navigation
160 Shakespeare's Theatre
Start WLTCD
220 Theory of Gravity
280 Harbor
Germans: exchange Invention
300 Sioux: 100
340 Democracy
360 revolution Pop: 21 Stop WLTCD
380 Govt. Democracy University
Japanese: gave all Science except Theory of Gravity: Peace
Hut: 50
420 Bank
480 Gunpowder
520 Hut: 50
540 Chemistry Sioux: 100
560 Hut: 25
600 Explosives
660 Metallurgy
720 Physics
Americans: exchange Bridge Building
740 Newton's
Sioux: 550g for war with Spanish - Dishonorable attitude
760 Magnetism
Stock Exchange
800 Steam Engine
Diplo built
840 Electricity Galleon built
Japanese: exchange Warrior Code
880 Refrigeration
Engineer built
900 Supermarket
920 Engineer built
940 Railway
Sioux: exchange Conscription
Beads to Washington (not demanded) 191
1000 Industrialization?
1040 Corporation
Start WLTPD
1060 Disband Trireme
1080 Refining
1120 Steel
1140 Max Pop: 24 End WLTPD
1160 Combustion Sell Sewer System
Silk to Little Bighorn (demanded) 408
Sell Aqueduct
1220 Automobile
1240 Darwin's Voyage Electronics Feudalism
1280 Mass Production
Cloth to Berlin (demanded) 1335
1300 Atomic Theory
1340 Factory
1360 Chivalry
1420 Leadership
1480 Tactics
Silk to New York (demanded) 1520
1500 Machine Tools
1530 Mobile Warfare
1540 Disband Galleon
1560 Miniaturization
1590 Computers Offshore Platform
1620 Robotics
1640 Flight Engineer built
1660 Manufacturing Plant
1670 Nuclear Fission
1700 Radio
1730 Advanced Flight
1752 Rocketry
1754 Dye freight built
1756 Transport built
1758 Nuclear Power
1760 Dye to Osaka (demanded) 448
Salt to Kyoto (not demnaded) 224
1762 Disband Elephant
1764 Space Flight
Aegis Cruiser built
1766 Apollo
Disband Transport
1774 Plastics
1784 Laser
1794 Communism
1804 Superconductor
1812 Fusion Power
1814 Launch conventional SS
1815 Coastal Fortress
1816 Espionage
Barracks
1817 Armor
1818 Nuclear Plant sell Power Plant
1819 Stealth Mass Transit
1820 Stealth Fighter
1822 Recycling
1825 Guerilla Warfare
Missile
1828 Labor Union
1829 Landed AC

[This message has been edited by tonic (edited October 21, 2000).]

**tonic** · October 24, 2000, 07:40

Oops, wrong thread - was a comment on OCC19.
[This message has been edited by tonic (edited October 24, 2000).]

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