Fortnight OCC - Second Edition - Results and Logs

[Paul]

I have made a table comparing some important dates of the various players. It took some time going through all the logs and I may have missed some things so if I got anything wrong please let me know. The url is http://members.home.nl/paulvdb/occfort2.htm
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited May 06, 2000).]

[redbaron]

Paul,
First of all, congratulations. We are not worthy...

Thanks for putting the table up. Maybe to save your time in future we should all include this summary in our own logs.

[vik]

Paul,

Congratulations! Is this a record? I know 1803 was the old record, but I'm wondering how you would determine records in OCC.

After reading your OCC guide, I wasn't very sure about what type of game qualified as a record.

Also, in the strategy section, you mention that sometimes you may want to buy a granary -- have you bought a granary recently, or is this a older way of doing it?

Again, congratulations. Imagine wiping out the Spanish Armada of our own earth's history with fighters, bombers, and cruise missiles.

[don Don]

Well, I thought I'd try something a little different. I thought I could build a library early enough to make a difference and grow fast enough via WLTPD to close on the Colossus in reasonable time. I got almost no money from huts, nor could I successfully demand tribute from any civ when I met them.

Brian Mulrooney (eeeccch! DeMille, is that the best you can think up?)
3650 Monarchy, Montreal (Perhaps that will counter the curse of being "Brian Mulrooney.")
50, Horsemen, Barbs invade, Chariot
3100 English, peace
Archers, Adv Tribe reload -> barbs (defeated)
3050 Cur
3000 French, peace, mine wine
Legion
2850 Aztecs, peace
2600 Library (13 Sci)
2550 Cst
2400 Lit, mine wine (15 Sci)
2300 Marketplace
Hor
2100 Temple
2050 Rep, Republic, WLTPD! (19 Sci)
2000 Babylonians, peace
1950 Mys from English
1850 Size 7 food limit, (30 Sci!)
1750 Mat
1700 Babylonians allied, trade Map, Pot
Horsemen
1650 Celts, peace
1550 Souix, peace
1500 Okay maybe not peace with Souix. Horsemen killed.
1450 French sneak attack, too.
1400 Phi + Tra
1200 Colossus (37 trade, 39 Sci)
1000 Gems
925 Trireme
825 Med, Hides
825 French give 150 for peace
800 Souix give 150 for peace, trade Whe, War
800 Axtecs trade maps, Sea
775 Gems -> Tlatelolco 266 +5 (43 Sci)
750 Copper
675 Colisseum, WLTPD
625 Aquaduct, size 9
550 size 12, 1 trade route +7, (63 Sci @ 70%)
375 Celts trade Iro
350 Hides -> Babylon 372 +7, (70 Sci)
300 Uni
250 Copernicus, (140 Sci!)
250 French give 100 for peace
225 Copper -> Cardiff 472 +7, (152 Sci)
200 Che, University, (Sci 248!)
125 San
50 ToG
25BC Celts allied
40AD Shakespeare, sell Colisseum
80 Sewer, WLTPD, Bri hut
120 Inv, Bank
160 Harbor
220,40 Dem, Democracy
280 Phy
300 size 20 + 1 settler
320 250 to English
340 Mag, (420 Sci @ 100%, 2 turns)
380 Eco
400 200 from Babylonians
420 Gun
460 Met; Nav, Gun to Celts, 150 from Celts
520 Exp, Newton, (516 Sci @ 80%, 2 turns)
560 E1, Spice
600 Ato
640 Rfg
680 Feu
720 Chi
780 SE, Exchange
820 Supermarket
840 Csc
880 Ldr, build Engr, disband Stlr
920 Tac
960 RR
1000 Amp (no choice!), Spice -> Tenochtitlan 266
1040 Darwin, Ind + Cor
1060 E2
1100 Stl
1140 Too, 500 to English
1180 Ref, Babs offer 400 for war with Souix (sure)
1220 Cmb, Spice Freight -> Teotihuacan 326 +12
1240 WLTPD
1280 Aut
1320 Superhighways (2 turns @ 70%)
1340,60 MP, Mass Transit
1380 NF, 700 to English
1420 Rec, size 26 + 2nd Engr
1460 Min
1500 NP, Recycling Plant
1520 Mob
1530 Factory
1540 Laser
1550 Nuclear Plant
1560 Cmp
1570 Reasearch Lab (2 turns @ 60%)
1580 Com
1600 Rob
1620 Fli (2 turns @ 80%)
1640 Esp
1660 Rad
1680 Afl
1700 Roc
1720 CA
1740 SFl (Woohoo!)
1752 Pla
1756 Sup, Wool -> Ashur 202
1758 Env
1762 Mfg Plant
1766 Offshore Platform
1768 Barracks (just in case)
1770 Apollo
1792 Granary (city was about to grow)
1820 Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1
1821 UN
1835 Arrive AC
Brian Mulrooney the Cruel
307 (39%)
[This message has been edited by don Don (edited January 31, 2000).]

[Paul]

Vik, the map was not edited and I had not played on it before so it counts as a record.

Also, I have added to my tables the pop 12 and 21 dates (yesterday) and the interval from Space Flight to Alpha Centauri (today). I also added turns from start in brackets with the intervals.

[Tom DeMille]

vik, Paul actually had a 1775 landing a couple of weeks ago. The 1779 landing I got in this last Monarchy game would have been the temporary record otherwise (something in the universe would not be right if Paul were not the current OCC record holder, even if for only a couple of days).

And don Don, I credit Brian Mulroney with the great starting techs and location. The computer must have detected my leaders name and decided I need all the help I could get.

(Oops, sorry for the double post. Noticed a spelling mistake and hit stop to fix it. I guess it had already gone through)
[This message has been edited by Tom DeMille (edited January 31, 2000).]

[Tom DeMille]

vik, Paul actually had a 1775 landing a couple of weeks ago. The 1779 landing I got in this last Monarchy game would have been the temporary record otherwise (something in the universe would not be right if Paul were not the current OCC record holder, even if for only a couple of days).

And don Don, I credit Brian Mulroney with the great starting techs and location. The computer must have detected my leader's name and decided I needed all the help I could get.

[Aurelius]

don Don,

Nice game! Did you really have to give the English all that money! Were they your ally? Money is so tight in my games that I almost always go to war over it.

Does anyone ever take money when an ally request your assistence in a war? I almost always do.

Paul, nice charts! Very telling stats.

Vik, are you in this contest? You should be!

AU

[vik]

i never signed up or whatever for the first one, so i'm not in on this, i guess.

i plan on trying this one out, but i don't think i could get it finished before the two weeks are over. lot of stuff happening at work.

besides, even if i play it, my results would most likely be considered tainted because i have looked at all these logs. i'll have an advantage that tom demille (and others) will not have had. i'll use this game to improve upon my personal record, and based on the other's results, it seems I have an excellent chance at accomplishing my sub-1825 goal i set for myself. BTW, congrats on your 1815 landing, aurelius, and congrats to nearly all of you for breaking your personal bests!
[This message has been edited by vik (edited February 01, 2000).]

[Smash]

you don't have to "sign up".Just D/L the game and play it

[Caesar the Great]

Go to the First OCC MP round one thread... some interesting stuff on OCC MP.

[don Don]

Aurelius,

No, I would never give money to an ally when I can dump one or two obsolete techs and pump them up to Worshipful. The English were hostile, and they would periodically demand money. Early in the game I told them no once and they didn't go to war. But by the next time they demanded money I didn't think they'd hesitate.

I had an Archer and a Legion blocking the expansion of the French. When they'd demand money I'd refuse, they'd beat a few chariots to death on my Fortressed Archer on the Mountain, and I'd send my Chariot on a Settler-search-and-destroy mission. That left me with an Archer in Montreal and a Chariot and two Horsemen to probe the English borders. By the last time they demanded money they had a city just my side of the ithsmus. I figured I'd be better off without being at war. They might pillage something and make a nuissance of themselves, and I'd feel paranoid enough waste the shields and money building a City Wall.

[Caesar the Great]

Dammit I haven't played this map yet... I'll do so today and post my results.

[don Don]

Paul,
I finally took a long look at your log. I thought you said before that you requested gifts/tribute only evey four or five turns. Here it looks more like every other turn.

I've also noticed that many times I don't get the "demand tribute" option with my non-allied neighbors, I think it's whenever the conversation starts with the "We offer peace and respect your boundaries" spiel.

I hate it when the manual isn't complete, and in non-OCC games I don't pay that much attention to diplomacy to know all the diplomacy dialogue options that aren't in the manual. I guess you have to say, "No, that is not acceptable" and hope they offer money. But when I do that I usually just end up with no money, no peace, just nuetral or cease fire relations.

[Scouse Gits]

Sorry I'm late - caught between the zones of control of the start of semester and a daughter who needs to play MM7 on our computer.
Finally, finished with a personal best of 1837 - which I think is the worst published this time round - well I'm still proud of it.
Will primp up my log to conform to the new standards and publish in an hour or so.

Paul: You are a deity at this game - this is unbelievable.

Perhaps once my log is up you guys might like to tell me where I made my big errors - other than forgetting a hydro plant completely!!!!

vik: We all expect your entry next session

Tom: Thanks for a magnificent map

This is beginning to sound like an Oscar acceptance speech and I came last!
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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
[This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited February 03, 2000).]