OCC fortnight #16 - discussion and logs

[SCG]

quote: Originally posted by Caesar on 08-23-2000 09:32 PM My spy was captured when she bribed the city that was probably a huge reason for my demise... the only civ I got an embasy with the english, was conquered by the persains

If you go for either the city in the NE or the SE, you had enough movement to establish 2 embassies - 1 with the english and 1 with the civ you incited revolution with, and still can get the city in the first round The two western cities need an extra movement to get there so you either have to take the city in round 2, or hope the spy survived.

As for using the spy to steal techs, I wish I had thought to try that - I could have been a monarchy much sooner I think, i wouldn't have had to trade techs so much and murdered my early research rate. Guess I was worried about losing my spy, which was a wonderful early exploring unit, especially after my hut chariot died so early. Admittedly, that spy was very useful in deterring the diplomatic onslaught post-space flight, but that could have been made up for, since at some point i would have built a diplomat (which could be used to bribe AI diplos)

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

[Ribannah]

OCC #16
Deity
MGE

Interesting scenario, Sherwood forest was a great help against the other civs but sprang a record number of Barbarians (close to 200 in total, I think). Of course The Evil City should have been called Nottingham. The Sheriff captured Carmarthen, btw, and was never in any trouble.

We had a sneaky start, bypassing the phalanxes (hehe) and buying abandoned Orleans for only 66 Gold
However, we ran into money problems anyway when we had to race for Copernicus, causing two stretching of no research.

And then the Barbarians came .....
Viking raids I guess .....
Luckily half of the mass ran dead on the sole Phalanx in The Evil City which of course couldn't be hurt
The others could not get past my hill-fortified Legion ...

AND we had to build the Hoover Dam because for some reason we did not get the option to build a Hydroplant!!!!
So no time to build a lot of caravans for the spaceship parts, we had to sac about every unit - luckily we had bribed a lot of Barbarians - and had EXACTLY 1 Gold in or coffers when the spaceship left Earth!

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AC: 1805

Monarchy: -2050
Republic: -825
Democracy: 460

Colossus: -1450
Copernicus: -250
Shakespeare: 220
Newton: 640
Darwin: 1100
+Hoover Dam: 1500
Apollo: 1710

Trade routes: -925, -825, -625

Size 12: -550
Size 21: 460 (Size 24 in 520: Democracy during the WLtXD! run)

Trade: -1250
Construction: -825
Sanitation: 160
Refrigeration: 780

Automobile: 1220
Computers: 1560
Space Flight: 1700

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-4000 Embassy (E), going into the mountains!
-3950 E Phalanx
-3900 Embassy (F), Br Orleans (undefended!; Spy survives) --> Bronze Working,
Alphabet to French, Peace (F)
-3800 Palace
-3750 Pottery (h)
-3600 Legion (h)
-3550 Phalanx
-3500 50 Gold (h)
-3400 Granary
-3350 S2, 50 Gold (h)
-3250 Phalanx
-3200 Br B Archers (61) (NONE)
-3150 50 Gold (h)
-3100 Celts, Peace (E), Tr Ceremonial Burial (C)
-3050 Temple, Chariot (NONE) (h)
-3000 Br B Horsemen (41)
-2900 S3
-2800 Writing, Tr Code of Laws (C)
-2750 Library
-2650 E Phalanx
-2600 B Leader (150)
-2550 25 Gold (h)
-2400 E Phalanx
-2250 E Warrior
-2100 Monarchy, S4, Revolution, E Phalanx, Tr Currency (C)
-2050 MONARCHY
-1850 St Horseback Riding (E), E Warrior
-1800 St Map Making (E)
-1750 S5
-1700 E Horsemen
-1650 Peace (E)
-1550 di Legions
-1500 di Phalanx
-1450 COLOSSUS, S6
-1400 Mysticism
-1350 Marketplace
-1250 War (C), St Trade (C)
-1200 Hides
-1100 Hides to The Evil Castle (d,80)
-1050 Beads, Literacy
-1000 Pheasant into Buffalo, (PYRAMIDS-F)
-975 Gold
-950 C Horsemen, Literacy to F
-925 Beads to Orleans (d,96)
-900 Philosophy, The Republic
-875 Hides
-850 Revolution, (HANGING GARDENS-C)
-825 Hides, REPUBLIC, Hides to The Evil Castle (d,108), C Horsemen, St Construction (C)
-800 Gold to Tours (d,186), The Republic to E
-775 Settlers, S6, WLtCD, Mathematics, Hides to The Evil Castle (d,104), (LIGHTHOUSE-S)
-750 S7
-725 Cloth
-675 Colosseum, WLtCD
-650 Astronomy, S8
-625 Aquaduct, S9, Cloth to Lyons (d,184), Tr The Wheel (E)
-600 S10, (GREAT LIBRARY-C)
-575 Beads, S11
-550 S12, Sold Colosseum, War (F), F Horsemen
-525 Food, WLtCD cancelled, F Horsemen
-475 Food, University,
* Science on hold *
-425 Food, Beads to Lyons (d,192), Tr Engineering (E)
-400 Spanish, 50 Gold to S, Peace (S), Tr Iron Working (S), Tr Warrior Code (S), Maps (S)
-375 Cloth
-325 Food, F Horsemen
-300 B Leader, 2 F Chariots
-275 Food
* Science resumed *
-250 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY, Cloth to Paris (d,220)
-225 Banking, 2 F Catapults
-200 University
-175 B Leader (150), Br F Settler (NONE) (224)
-150 Bank
-125 Bridge Building, St Polytheism (C)
-100 Coal, sold Temple
-50 Food, St Seafaring (C)
0 Food, Economics, F Chariot
80 Food, Medicine
100 F Diplomat
120 F Chariot
160 Food, Sanitation, F Catapult
* Science on hold *
220 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE, (KING RICARD'S CRUSADE-F)
240 F Settlers, F Catapult
260 Stock Exchange, F Chariot
280 WLtCD, F Settlers
300 Sewer System, S13
* Science resumed *
320 S14
340 Harbor, S15, di Settlers
360 Coal, S16
380 Theory of Gravity, S17, F Chariot
400 Beads, S18, Tr Invention (E)
420 S19, Br B Legion (NONE), Br B Trireme (NONE), Medicine to C, Peace (C)
440 Food, S20
460 Democracy, DEMOCRACY, S21 (GREAT WALL-P)
480 S22, Beads to Lyons (d,146)
500 S23
520 Food, Navigation, S24, B Leader (150), Coal to Cardiff (d,256)
540 WLtPD cancelled, B Leader (150)
560 Food, Physics
600 Food
620 Magnetism
640 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE, B Leader 150
660 Gunpowder, Persians, War (P), Embassy (P), Navigation to E
680 Coal
700 Embassy (S)
720 War (C), C Catapult
740 Electricity, (LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP-C)
780 Refrigeration, F Catapult
800 Supermarket, (MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY-F)
820 Chemistry, C Horsemen
860 Explosives
880 Food, Br B Crusaders (81), di Phalanx
900 Steam Engine
920 Food, F Catapult
940 F Chariot (MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION-S),(ORACLE-P),
* Large horde of Barbarians in Sherwood forest *
960 Engineers, Railroad, Br B Elephant (NONE) (81)
1000 Food
1020 Industrialization, Peace (C), Tr Feudalism (C)
1080 The Corporation
* Science on hold *
1100 DARWIN'S VOYAGE, Refining, Combustion, WLtPD, Coal to Rheims (d,154), F Catapult
* Science resumed *
1120 S25(!), B Leader (150)
1140 Factory, S26
1160 Steel, S27, F Chariot
1180 Beads, S28
1200 (STATUE OF LIBERTY-F), S29
1220 Automobile, WLtPD cancelled, F Catapult, Beads to Lyons (d,148)
1260 Electronics, Knights (NONE) (h), B Leader (150)
1300 Conscription, Tr Chivalry (C)
1340 Leadership, B Leader (150)
1380 Tactics
1420 * Dozens of Barbarian Musketeers and Cannons appear SW in the forest (3 messages) *
1440 Machine Tools, 50 Gold (h)
1460 WLtPD
1480 S30
1500 HOOVER DAM, Miniaturization, S31, 100 Gold (h), (WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE-F)
1510 S31
1520 Offshore Platform, S32
1530 Mass Production, WLtPD cancelled
1540 Mass Transit
1550 Beads, Br B Musketeers (61)
1560 Computers, di Musketeers, Br B Musketeers (61)
1570 Research Lab
* Another band of Barbarians E in the forest *
1580 Oil, Mobile Warfare, Plains/r into Grassland(s)/r, sold Sewer System
1590 Food
1600 Food, Robotics, F Cannon
1610 Food, br B Musketeers (NONE,61), di Musketeers, (ADAM SMITH'S TRADING CO.-C)
1620 Manufacturing Plant, Flight, Br B Musketeers, Beads to Madrid (d,448)
1630 Food, 2 F Chariots, Br B Musketeers (NONE,61)
1640 Radio, Br B Musketeers (NONE,61)
* French changed from Communism to Democracy, boosting our trade *
1650 B Leader (150)
1660 Advanced Flight, Peace (F)
1670 Br B Musketeers (NONE) (61), Peace (P)
1680 Rocketry, Oil to Kells (95)
1690 Grass/r into Hills/r, B Leader (150), Br B Cannon (NONE,82), Br 2 B Musketeers (NONE,2x61)
1700 Space Flight
1710 APOLLO PROGRAM, Br B Cannon (NONE,82), di Crusaders, (EIFFEL TOWER-F)
1720 SSS
1730 SSS, Plastics, Hills mined, di NONE Horsemen
1740 SSS, Grass(s)/r into Forest/r, di Musketeers
* shields now 80 *
1750 SSC * Barbarian Riflemen/Artillery in SW Forest *
1752 SSS, Atomic Theory
1754 SSS
1756 SSS, Br B Riflemen (102), di Musketeers
1758 SSC, Nuclear Fission
1760 SSS, Br B Artillery (NONE,102)
1762 SSS
1764 SSS, Nuclear Power
1766 SSS, Br B Artillery (NONE,102)
1768 SSS
1770 SSS, The Laser
1772 SSS
1774 SSS
1776 SSS, Di Cannon (NONE), War (E), E Dragoons, War (C,ally to E)
1778 SSC, E Cannon, di Legion (NONE), Tr Theology (F), Tr Monotheism (F)
1780 SSC, di Trireme
1782 SSC, Fusion Power, sold Research Lab, di Chariot (NONE), di Musketeers (NONE), Science on hold
1784 SSC, sold University, di Engineers, di Elephant, Musketeers, Artillery (all NONE)
1786 SSM, sold Library, di 2 Musketeers, Archers, Knights, Settlers, Artillery (all NONE)
1788 SSM, sold Manufactory, di Musketeers (NONE), bought Sun Tzu (
* 1 gold left *
* we have 1 Riflemen, 1 Musketeers, 1 Vet Spy and 1 Settlers (all NONE) *
1790 LAUNCH the LADY MARIAN, E Cavalry
1791 Barracks
* French Settlers and Diplomat are trying to get in *
1792 Armor, E Cannon
1793 Armor, E Cannon
1794 Forest/r back into Plains/r, Tr Genetic Engineering (F, for Superconductor), Peace (C,E), (SETI PROGRAM-F)
1795 S31 (Famine)
1796 MICHELANGELO'S CHAPEL, S30 (Famine)
1797 Aquaduct
1798 Sewer System, E Sneak Cannon
1799 Library, E Cavalry, E Cannon
* French from Worshipful to Hostile *
1800 * French demand 1000 Gold --> * War (F), F Cannon, F Explorer, B Artillery
1802 CURE FOR CANCER
1803 WLtPD, E Cavalry, F Cavalry, F Cannon
1804 SUN TZU'S WAR ACADEMY, S31, E Cannon
1805 ALPHA CENTAURI

Score: 376 (48%)

* Never made contact with the Mongols *



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If you have no feet, don't walk on fire

[vik]

Hi everyone!

Just wanted to check in. I will be unable to participate in these OCC's right now. I am in South Korea for a "business" trip until the middle of September.

I look forward to catching up and contributing later next month.

take care!

[tonic]

I made a horror of a start, not even popping the displayed hut, losing my Spy on bribing the city of Orleans and unable to get the Palace for several turns. Trade was particularly late.

An interesting happening was the split-up of the Celts fairly early on into the more powerful rebel Greeks and the weaker loyal faction – a pity as I had established a stable alliance with the Celts who had destroyed the English. There was also some tight defence against the Greeks at the time of SS-parts building resulting in some delays. Some very profitable trade routes later in the game using the Transport resulted in a maximum bonus of 1240 gold with Susa on the Spanish continent. Middle game exploration of “Antarctica” yielded a useful Crusader and Musketeer besides usable gold.

2.42 Deity

AC: 1823

Monarchy: -425
Republic: -25
Democracy: 620

Colossus: -2200
Copernicus: 200
Shakespeare: 460
Newton: 880
Darwin: 1380
Apollo: 1756

Trade routes: -75, -25, 1

Size 12: 140
Size 21: 700

Trade: -200
Construction: -1350
Sanitation: 260
Refrigeration: 1120
Automobile: 1420
Computers: 1610
Space Flight: 1754


4000 BC Bribe English Phalanx, Bribe Orleans: rechristened Tonicity (Spy captured) get Bronze Working hut=Chariot
3800 BC hut=50
3750 BC Palace built
3650 BC Celts: exchange Mapmaking peace
3600 BC Warrior built
3550 BC French: peace gift of Horseback Riding Hut=chariot
3500 BC hut=Barb
3450 BC Phalanx survives BarbHorse and vetted Hut=50
3400 BC Settler survives Nottingham Phalanx vetted
3300 BC Hut=50
3200 BC English: ceasefire
3100 BC Hut=Mathematics
2850 BC Celts: exchange Currency
2500 BC BarbLeader=150
2250 BC BarbLeader=150
2200 BC Colossus
2100 BC BarbLeader=150
1750 BC Code of Laws Celts: exchange Writing
1550 BC Trireme built
1500 BC Library
1450 BC English destroyed by Celts
1350 BC Celts: Alliance for war with French, gift of Construction Hut=Literacy
1100 BC Celts: civil war split into Celtic and Greek factions!! L
1000 BC Greeks: peace
975 BC Greeks: Literacy
950 BC Ceremonial Burial Celts: 75
925 BC Colosseum
900 BC Mongols: peace, tribute=100
875 BC Mongols: Code of Laws
775 BC Mongols: Writing
750 BC Diplo commissioned Celts: 150
650 BC Mongols: Currency
500 BC Monarchy rev Mongols: exchange Mysticism tribute: 150 Celts: Mysticism +50
425 BC Govt. Monarchy Start WLTKD Persians: Mapmaking for Alliance, no gift
375 BC Greeks: Embassy
350 BC Persians: Construction
250 BC French: Embassy Spanish: Construction for Alliance, share maps
200 BC Trade
175 BC Beads Caravan built
150 BC Gold caravan built Celts: Literacy + 50. Embassy
100 BC Persians: 25
75 BC Beads to Lyons (demanded)=100
50 BC Republic rev
25 BC Govt. Republic Hides to Evil Castle (not demanded)=68 Persians: Trade +50

AD1 Hides to Carmarthan (not demanded)=54 Persians: Trade + 150
20 Spanish: 150 Celts & Greek: Trade
40 Spanish: Literacy
80 Hides to Carmarthan (not demanded)=80 Hides to Cordoba (demanded)=201
100 Philosophy
120 Cloth to Lyons (demanded)=204 Spanish: Republic + 200 Celts & Persians: Philosophy Greeks: exchange Wheel share maps
140 Pop=12 Medicine End WLTCD Celts: Wheel French: Astronomy Spanish: Philosophy Persians: Philosophy
160 Gold to Madrid (demanded)=346
180 Engineering Greeks & Spanish: Engineering Celts: Republic Persians: Monarchy
200 Copernicus
260 Sanitation Celts: Engineering
300 Celts: Sanitation Spanish: 100
320 Sewer System Celts: Astronomy Greeks: Sanitation Spanish: Astronomy
340 University French: War
380 Gems to Cordoba (demanded)=368
400 Banking Celts: Banking Spanish: exchange Bridge Building Persians: Sanitation Greeks: Bridge Building
420 Celts: Bridge Building Spanish: 100 Persians: share maps
460 Shakespeare's Theatre
480 French: war Spanish: 200 Start WLTCD
500 University built
540 Invention Spanish: 200
560 Celts: 150 for war on Mongols, exchange Seafaring
600 Democracy rev built Harbor Coal to Cordoba (demanded)=290
620 Govt. Democracy
640 Sell Colosseum
660 Economics
700 Pop=21 End WLTPD Sell temple Spanish: exchange Iron Working
720 Chemistry
760 Hut=50
780 Gunpowder French: ceasefire
840 Explosives
880 Isaac Newton's College
900 Metallurgy
920 Hut=Musketeer
940 Navigation, built Stock Exchange
960 Coal-caravan built
980 Physics
1000 Hut=Crusader
1020 Engineer built
1060 Electricity Spanish exchange Chivalry
1120 Refrigeration Disband supported Phalanx
1140 BarbLeader=150
1160 Steam Engine French: peace
1180 French: Physics + share maps
1200 Railroad
1240 Industrialization Spanish: 200
1300 Corporation Greeks: alliance for war with Celts, +50
1360 Steel
1380 Darwin's Voyage get Refining Combustion, Coal to Lyons (demanded)=128 Spanish: 200
1420 Automobile Start WLTPD
1440 Superhighways French: exchange Leadership End WLTPD (Trireme Away)
1460 Mass Production Greeks: 25
1500 Electronics Spanish: exchange Pottery
1510 Disband Trireme, Spanish:200
1520 Conscription built Transport Start WLTPD Greeks: 25
1550 Tactics Spanish: 200
1570 Max size=26 End WLTPD
1580 Machine Tools, Gold to Valencia (demanded)=988 Greeks: 100
1590 Oil to Susa (not demanded)=420
1610 Computers Sell Sewer System Dye to Marseilles (demanded)=266
1620 Sell Aqueduct Greeks: 100
1630 Mobile Warfare (Celts & Mongols sign pact against Merrymen) Gold to Susa (demanded)=1240
1640 Robotics Greeks: 100
1650 Factory (Settler starts changing grasslands to forest)
1660 Flight, Copper to Cordoba (demanded)=336
1680 Radio Greeks: 100 Spanish: gift of Monotheism
1690 Engineer built Spanish: gift of Communism
1700 Spanish: gift of Feudalism
1710 Advanced Flight Greeks: 100
1720 Spanish: 25
1730 Celts destroyed by Greeks
1740 Rocketry
1752 Power Plant Greeks: 50 Spanish: 150
1754 Space Flight
1756 Apollo
1760 Plastics
1766 Atomic Theory Greeks cancel alliance
1772 Nuclear Fission
1774 Greeks: War, Bribe Greek Armor
1776 Armor built Mongols: peace Spanish: keep alliance by declaring war on French
1778 Greeks war Mongols
1780 Nuclear Power
1784 (Spanish capturing French cities)
1788 Laser s15 Disband Engineer (#3) Greeks peace Mongols
1792 Disband Transport
1794 Bribe Mongol Diplo (146) blocking path & threatening sabotage
1796 Superconductor
1800 Spanish captures Rheims - only far away Besancion remains! French peace Spanish
1802 Disband Diplo & Settler
1804 Disband Diplo Crusader & Chariot Sell University
1806 Fusion Power
1808 Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 SS, French: Cease-fire Greeks: peace
1809 Barracks built
1810 Armor built, Spanish: Nuclear fission, gift 150
1811 Armor built, Spanish steal Fusion Power but I their keep (worshipful) alliance
1812 Greek Diplo destroys Marketplace; I declare War
1813 Nuclear Plant, Sell Power Plant
1814 Stealth
1815 Built SAM
1816 Stealth Fighter built
1818 Mass Transit
1819 Cruise Missile targeting Evil Capital
1820 Cruise Missile -“-
1821 Cruise Missile at advancing Greek Armor & Howitzer
1822 Stealth Fighter
1823 Landed AC

Edit: corrected Trade routes date in Highlights
[This message has been edited by tonic (edited August 25, 2000).]

[Oldman]

Geeze, that was a tough one!!! who ever designed it should be publicly flogged, ha ha!!

So, I struggled at the start to gain any kind of technological superiority, that didn't happen until after machine tools!!

I had a couple of hair raising moments with some nasty AI, but i ended up paying them off with cash for a quiet life... It certain beats being set upon by cavalry and musketeers!?!?

Anyway, the basics...
2.42 Diety

Republic 1650bc
Democracy 620ad

Colossus 1200bc
Observatory 175bc
Theatre 120ad
Newtons college 680ad
Darwins voyage 1440ad
Apollo 1710ad

1st Trade 725bc
2nd 575bc
3rd 475bc

Trade 2200bc
Cons. 120ad
Sanitation 360ad
Refridgeration 940ad
Auto 1360ad
Computers 1530ad
Space Flight 1650ad

Size 12 220ad
Size 21 600ad

The log...
4000bc Phalanx bribed, NE road taken, Carmarthen Bribed
Bronze Working from Celts
3900bc 50 (hut) archers (hut)
3850bc Palace!!!
3750bc Chariot (NONE) (hut), currency (hut)
3700bc Archers (none) (hut)
3500bc warrior code (hut)
3350bc Barbarians (hut)
3200bc chariot (none) (hut)
3050bc stole code of laws from French (escaped safely!!)
2650bc Cere Bury
2200bc Trade!!! (hut)
1850bc The Republic Stolen from French!!!
1650bc Republic established!!
1400bc monarchy...
1200bc Colossus!!!!!
875bc literacy and alliance with french!!!
barbs land near carmarthen
825bc Mysticism!!
800bc 150g for barb leader!!
775bc Caravan (silk)
725bc 1st Trade, Silk to Evil Castle, wanted 186rev
700bc War with Celts for 200 from french
Philosophy, Medicine (free)
Temple
675bc WLTCD (3)
650bc caravan (hides)
625bc caravan (coal)
575bc 2nd Trade coal unwanted to Evil Castle, 86 rev
Marketplace
Astronomy
550bc WLTCD cancelled (7)
500bc Caravan
Writing (stolen)
475bc 3rd Trade unwanted hides to Kells, 76rev
450bc caravan
375bc caravan, got a race on with the persians for Obersatory?!!?
300bc caravan
250bc caravan
200bc caravan
175bc Observatory!!!!!, ha ha, showed them Persians!!!
75bc Theory of Gravity
120ad Theatre!!!!!!!
WLTCD (8)
Construction
160ad AquaDuct!!!
220ad Library
WLTCD ends (12)
280ad University!!
exchanged techs with celts, english and french!
300ad sanitation
360ad exchanged sanitation for invention with french
420ad Sewers!!!
WLTCD (12)
460ad Tireme
600ad Democracy!! revolution...
WLTCD maxed out (21)
620ad Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
640ad war with Persians!!!
war with Spanish... do i spell or something!?!
680ad Newtons College!!!!!!
700ad exchanged nearly all techs!!
musketeers (none) (hut)
740ad explosives
760ad engineers
780ad physics
820ad magnetism
860ad metalurgy
900ad electricity
940ad Refridgeration!!!!!!
980ad steam engine
1000ad wine to Marseille, 275 rev
1020ad Railroad
1060ad Industrialisation
1100ad corporation
1140ad steel
1180ad Electronics
1220ad refining
1240ad 250 gift from french!!
supermarket!!
WLTPD (19)
1300ad Combustion
WLTPD cancelled (22)
1360ad Automobile!!!
1400ad 275 rev from trade
1420ad mass production
1440ad Darwins Voyage!!
Leadership
tactics
1480ad french get flight-Bastards!!
machine tools
1510ad Miniaturisation!
1530ad Computers!!!!!!!
1540ad research lab!!
1550ad mobile warfare
1560ad flight from persians for computers
1570ad robotics
125 gift from french
1580ad factory
1590ad radio
sold sewers
1600ad hydro plant
1610ad adv flight
1630ad rocketry
1650ad Space Flight!!!!
manu plant
1660ad 250 gift from french
1670ad offshore platform
1710ad Apollo!!!!!
1720ad Structural 1
Atomic Theory from spanish
plastics from french
1730ad lose alliance with french,
sneak attack (none) chariot lost,
1740ad 250 to regain alliance...
nuclear fission
1754ad nuke power!
1760ad laser
1772ad Super Conductor!!!!
Structural 15
1774ad module 1
1778ad Comp 1
1782ad comp 2
1784ad module 2
1786ad Comp 3
1788ad comp 4
1790ad comp 5
1792ad comp 6
1794ad sold manu plant
1796ad module 3
Fussion Power!!
LAUNCH 15-3-3-1-1-1 ETA: 1811ad
6 Riflemen
4 Alpine Troops
3 Fighters
and a bribed cavalry... Just in case

1811ad Landing on AC!!!!!
281 points, 36% Robin Hood the Cruel!!!

[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited August 29, 2000).]

[SCG]

hmm, in nearly all the logs to date, I was generally ahead of everyone until somewhere between Ike's college and refrigeration, at least in terms of reaching target wonders and city sizes. And i was getting a tech every 2 turns like everyone else post-Ike's. It will be nice to see the comparison table to see it all together a little more clearly. Unless someone sees something different, I'll assume that I'm not getting as many techs from the AI as everyone else. I know that I never did make diplomatic contact with 3 of the AI, and as some may recognize from another thread I started, I've been trying to figure out if and how that may hinder me, since I always seem to have trouble finding all of the AI. O well, I'm sure I'll eventually figure it out

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

[phaedrus]

I finally finished last night. I went to the East and settled Carmarthen. I did OK, but the French were a pain. Landed in 1877. Very average I guess. No log. I'll try that next time.

[Paul]

Comparison Table now available. I also hadn't posted my own log yet, so here it is:

Monarchy: -2050
Republic: -925
Democracy: 540

Colossus: -1850
Copernicus: -200
Shakespeare: 60
Newton: 440
Darwin: 1020
Apollo: 1570

Trade routes: -1050, -900, -725

Trade: -1800
Construction: -1800
Sanitation: -175
Refrigeration: 800
Automobile: 1040
Computers: 1360
Space Flight: 1560

Size 11: -600
Size 19: 300

4000 BC Embassy English
Bribe English Phalanx (187 gold)
Embassy Celts
Bribe Carmarthen (127 gold); take Bronze Working
3950 BC Hut: Horsemen
3850 BC Hut: Barbarians
3800 BC Hut: Barbarians
Celts: peace
English: cease fire
3750 BC Palace
3700 BC Hut: Currency
3600 BC Hut: 25 gold
French: peace; trade Code of Laws
3500 BC Warrior
3400 BC Hut: Legion
3300 BC Embassy French
Celts: alliance; gift 25 gold
3150 BC French: tribute Horseback Riding
3050 BC Celts: trade Ceremonial Burial
2500 BC French: trade Map Making
Celts: share maps
2400 BC Hut: Legion
2300 BC Hut: Legion
2050 BC Monarchy, revolution
Gov: Monarchy
Celts: gift 50 gold
French: tribute 50 gold
2000 BC Hut: 50 gold
1900 BC Celts: gift 50 gold
1850 BC Colossus
1800 BC Hut: Trade
Celts: trade Construction; gift 25 gold
1550 BC French: trade Writing; alliance; share maps; gift 25 gold
English: trade Mysticism; peace; share maps
Celts: gift 50 gold
1500 BC Library
1350 BC Build Silk Caravan
1250 BC Literacy
1050 BC Celts: share maps; gift 50 gold
Build Hides Caravan
Silk to Lyons (demanded): 150 gold
1000 BC Republic, revolution
Bribe French Trireme (92 gold)
975 BC Temple
950 BC English: tribute 50 gold
925 BC Gov: Republic
Start WLTCD, size 4
900 BC Build Coal Caravan
Hides to Kells (not demanded): 50 gold
French: gift 50 gold
875 BC French: gift 50 gold
850 BC Marketplace
Hut: Barbarians
825 BC End WLTCD, size 7
Celts: gift 25 gold
775 BC Hut: Pottery
725 BC Mathematics
Colosseum
Coal to Lyons (not demanded): 112 gold
Start WLTCD, size 7
675 BC Aqueduct
Mongols: alliance; share maps
600 BC Astronomy
End WLTCD, size 11
575 BC Build Gold Caravan
550 BC Celts: gift 50 gold
French: gift 50 gold
500 BC Spanish: peace; trade Wheel; share maps
475 BC Persians: peace; share maps
French: trade Philosophy; gift 25 gold
400 BC Engineering
Hut: Barbarians
375 BC French: trade Medicine, Banking; gift 50 gold
Celts: trade Iron Working
225 BC Celts: gift 25 gold
French: gift 50 gold
English: alliance; share maps; gift 50 gold
Mongols: cancel alliance
200 BC Copernicus' Observatory
175 BC Sanitation
125 BC Celts: gift 100 gold
French: cancel alliance
Spanish: alliance; gift Warrior Code
Persians: alliance
50 BC University
40 AD Sold Colosseum
60 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
Start WLTCD, size 11
Sold Temple
80 AD Theory of Gravity
100 AD Sewer System
Celts: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 75 gold
Persians: gift 25 gold
140 AD Bank
Gold to Madrid (demanded): 504 gold
160 AD Seafaring
180 AD Harbor
Spanish: gift 25 gold
220 AD University
240 AD Chemistry
240 AD Settler killed by barbs
260 AD Barb Leader: 150 gold
280 AD Spanish: gift 50 gold
English: cancel alliance
300 AD Economics
End WLTCD, size 19
360 AD Invention
Spanish: gift 50 gold
400 AD Spanish: gift 50 gold
420 AD Explosives
440 AD Isaac Newton's College
460 AD Explosives
Celts: trade Bridge Building
French: war
480 AD Engineer
500 AD Democracy, revolution
520 AD Engineer
540 AD Gov: Democracy
560 AD Build Wine Caravan
580 AD Metallurgy
Celts: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 100 gold
French: peace
600 AD Stock Exchange
Persians: gift 150 gold
620 AD Navigation
Spanish: gift 150 gold
Persians: gift 50 gold
660 AD Physics
Spanish: gift 150 gold
Persians: gift 50 gold
Start WLTPD, size 17
680 AD Hut: 50 gold
Celts: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 100 gold
700 AD Magnetism
740 AD End WLTPD, size 20
760 AD Build Dye Caravan
Electricity
Spanish: gift 50 gold
800 AD Refrigeration
Spanish: gift 50 gold
840 AD Supermarket
Steam Engine
880 AD Railroad
920 AD Engineer
Industrialization
940 AD Spanish: gift Polytheism
960 AD Corporation
Persians: gift 100 gold
English: war
1000 AD Steel
1020 AD Darwin's Voyage: Refining, Combustion
1040 AD Automobile
Celts: gift 25 gold
French: alliance; gift 200 gold
Start WLTPD, size 19
1060 AD Superhighways
English: peace
1080 AD Electronics
Dye to Seville (demanded): 792 gold
1100 AD Build Dye Freight
Mass Production
French: trade Conscription
1140 AD Feudalism
Wine to Karakorum (demanded): 885 gold
1160 AD Chivalry
1200 AD Engineer
1220 AD Leadership
Barb Leader: 150 gold
End WLTPD, size 25
1240 AD Factory
1260 AD Tactics
1300 AD Machine Tools
French: gift Monotheism
Celts: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 50 gold
1320 AD Sold Sewer System
1340 AD Power Plant
Miniaturization
Sold Aqueduct
Dye to Salamanca (demanded): 1098 gold
1360 AD Computers
Hut: 100 gold
1380 AD Research Lab
1400 AD Mobile Warfare
1420 AD Offshore Platform
1440 AD Build Gold Freight
Robotics
1460 AD Build Wine Freight
Barb Leader: 150 gold
1480 AD Flight
1500 AD Manufacturing Plant
1510 AD Radio
Wine to Arbela (demanded): 460 gold
1530 AD Advanced Flight
Gold to Barcelona (demanded): 840 gold
1540 AD Rocketry
1550 AD French: cancel alliance
1560 AD Space Flight
SPanish: trade Atomic Theory
1570 AD Apollo Program
1580 AD English: war
1600 AD Plastics
1610 AD French: war
1640 AD Nuclear Fission
1670 AD Nuclear Power
1700 AD Laser
1710 AD Engineers killed
1730 AD Superconductor
1760 AD Engineer
1762 AD Fusion Power
1770 AD French take Carmarthen (1 turn before launch)

[Oldman]

Once again my Scenario claims it's own body count, sorry guys!!!!!!!! i almost got stuffed by the french too, i ended up paying them off (250gold) to keep the peace?!?!

Paul, do you have a scenario from Tom yet for next week? i might be able to rush my next one through if not?

[tonic]

Good on you, Oldman. Keep that fertile mind of yours going - great work. Makes me want to get into the fine art of scenario-making myself.

[Paul]

I don't have a scenario for next week, but I usually only get them shortly before I need them. I guess I should ask now if anybody is working on a scenario for next week.
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited August 31, 2000).]

[Oldman]

I'm working on one myself, and i think i should have a free night tonight!!! it's an interesting start, but might turn out to be a real tough-one, and i'm sure you'll all just love it!!!!!!! ha ha!??!!?!? i'll keep you all posted...

[Tom DeMille]

As I mentioned to Oldman in another thread, I've got 3 scenario ideas - I just haven't created them. The first one shouldn't take me too long. I'll make sure I have it ready for next week.

Q. The scenario I have in mind will have to be a saved game. Am I correct in thinking that MGE can load scenarios saved by v242?

[Paul]

As far as I know, yes.

[Scouse Gits]

I'm actually ashamed to post this - it is a total catalogue of errors and an object lesson in how not to play OCC -- I failed to keep my alliances -- I nearly got wiped out twice -- I didn't build enough caravans -- I bribed attacking units and reduced my production below 80 when I was building the SS -- and probably a lot of other nasty and unfortunate happenings that should not be exposed in front of the impressionable young ...
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What a diabolical game - everything I did seemed to go wrong - clearly "Must try harder!"

OCC#16 - v2.42 - deity

AC 1855

Monarchy -1850
Republic -225
Democracy 1020

Colossus -1600
Copernicus 20
Shakespeare 400
Newton 1000
Darwin 1510
Apollo 1784

Trade#1 -800
Trade#2 -675
Trade#3 -625

Size 12 -25
Size 21 580

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It's so tempting to bribe two of these phalanges, but discretion rules ... (for now)
Which way to go?
Let's try some diplomacy first ...
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4000 Embassy established; failed to impress the sherriff; both Easterly routes seem favoured so being contrary I'm going SW ...; Phalanx bribed: 187g
3950 Oh goody, the French, I hate the French, and I guess they will soon hate me; French declare war; Establish Embassy with French; Bribe Lyons: 87g; Rename Liverpool
3850 Palace
3800 hut: Map Making
3750 Embassy with Celts; Peace; Code of Laws
3250 Peace with French
3350 hut: Legion (supported)
2150 Ceremonial Burial
2050 Celts: Monarchy; Revolution - RATS!!! no change of government!!
1850 MONARCHY established - what a disaster!!!!
1600 COLOSSUS
1000 Barbarian: 150g
0975 Celts demand we declare war on English - we decline - they demand 50g - we decline and ask for a gift - they give us 150g!
0950 Steal TRADE from Celts
0925 Marketplace; Size 4
0900 Steal Literacy from French
0850 Steal Pottery from French
0800 HIDES TO THE EVIL CASTLE: 72g
0775 Mysticism
0675 SILVER TO THE EVIL CASTLE: 84g; Steal Seafaring from French
0625 DYE TO KELLS: 92g
== log lost in system crash ==
0525 Celts: CONSTRUCTION & 150g
0450 Hides to The Evil Castle: 76g - I'm racing for Philo ...
0350 Alliance with French
0325 Philosophy -> Medicine; French: The Republic & Writing; English 100g tribute
0275 Celts: 100g; English: 100g
0250 Colosseum; Revolution
0225 REPUBLIC (this time as advertised - thanks oedo)
0200 Library; WLCD starts @ 5
0150 allies: 100g
0100 allies: 75g;
0025 WLCD stops @ 12
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0020 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY; allies: Warrior Code & 25g
0040 Engineering
0140 SANITATION; Gems to Orleans: 342g; allies: 50g
0200 allies: 100g
0300 Celts: Invention & 150g
0400 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE; WLCD starts @ 12; Cloth to Paris: 90g (demand just changed)
0420 Sewer System
0460 University
0480 Bridge Building
0560 Theory of Gravity
0580 WLCD stops @ 21
0640 Magnetism
0660 Gold to Kells: 285g
0700 Gunpowder
0720 Gems to Orleans: 252g; French dissolve alliance
0760 Metalurgy
0820 Electricity
0840 Celts: Banking & 75g
0860 Persians: Peace; Gems to Seville: 630g
0880 REFRIGERATION
0920 Celts: 75g
0960 Mongols: Peace; Mega Science dump
1000 Chemistry; ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE; Celts: Democracy & 150g; Revolution
1020 DEMOCRACY
1060 Explosives
1180 Railroad
1240 Economics
1300 Industrialisation
1340 Leeds destroyed (3 poisons + chariot attack)
1440 The Corporation
1510 Refining; DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Combustion; AUTOMOBILE
1530 Electronics; Superhighways
1550 Gems to Paris: 686g
1630 Gems to Paris: 740g
1730 COMPUTERS
1740 City Walls; Gold to Cardiff: 710g
1750 Research Lab; Mobile Warfare
1758 Flight
1762 Barbarian Leader: 150g
1768 Manufacturing Plant
1782 SPACE FLIGHT
1784 APOLLO PROGRAM
1820 War with the English & French - Oops!
1830 My valiant Spyette is captured having sabotaged French Artillery
1838 Now at war with the Celts as well ....
1840 Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 for eta 1855 treasury 4g only one unit left if I can survive another couple of turns ...
I did - landing 1855 ......

Don't follow this example,

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
"The Great Library must be built!"