I'm a bad player! So what!

[The Mad Monk]

Mindseye described my play style as well; I tend to view my games more as sims than wargames, and enjoy playing the 'gentle despot'.

Although I have to admit, Civ II dosen't make it easy (I think MoO2 is better in this regard).

[SCG]

Andx83, not entirely sure, but my best guess would be that it was in responce to your 2nd point:
I know that Americans see this very different. They always want to WIN. It's ridiculous...

and Hawkx9 was trying to jest about WWII.

[Steve Clark]

Civ2 as role-playing?!?!? Geez, I thought I've seen everything, but that takes the cake, so to speak.

Tim, good to see you back my friend, what's been happening?

[War4ever]

Mr. Clark i don't think i am the Tim your refering to but hello again anyways

I really do have to agree with CYBERAmazon... i will kick any ai near my land, ie same continent.... but as for just warfare, i have toned it down a bit

Mastering a perfectionist style of play has made me into a much better player and gave me some challenges early on

But whoa be it to an AI civ that double crosses me..... as Steve would say..... its clobberin time!!!!

[Sten Sture]

In the spirit playing for fun, Andz's hometown soccer club, Cottbus, has been returned to the second division even though the should be eligible for promotion. Fans will be glad getting tickets will be easier since Dortmund and Bayern Munich won't be visiting.

[St Leo]

My usual goal in CivII is to maintain a 'balance of power' with the AI's idiotic diplomacy being the main obstruction.

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[Jim W]

quote: Originally posted by mindseye on 06-08-2000 09:18 PM My problem is that I get caught up in playing the role of "leader of my people" which can lead to decisions not perhaps overly compatible with winning! For instance, if one of my cities is captured, I will spare no effort to liberate my citizens, even if the kingdom's coffers are emptied and the military wrecked in the process. Hey, they are my people, I am responsible for their welfare! Sometimes I hang onto ancient units for sentimental reasons. Also, I will never nuke a city that was formerly part of my kingdom. How can you nuke your own people! I may not win often, but I always have fun! Now you know why I don't dare to play MP! - mindseye

Now this describes very much my own style! No foreigner is going to hang on to one of _my_ cities if I have anything to say about it!

There has been a time or two when I just had to leave that city be for several centuries, but it was always a sore point with me.

As for nuking, well, maybe I'm too ecologically minded, but I have yet to build a capabiltiy for nuclear warfare in any of my games. I'm not sure how things work, but it does appear that the AI won't build nukes unlesss you've started building them first. I could be wrong on that; I just know that no nukes have appeared in any of my games, and that no nukes is good nukes.

We poison half the world to win some kind of philosophical, economic, or religious point? Sounds a little strange to me.

I can't wait for S.M. Stirling's _Island in A Sea of Time_ series to get that far. Will the people of Nantucket invent nuclear warfare, or try to keep it a secret?

Jim W

[Hasdrubal]

The biggest crime would be, to withhold those poor subjects of foreign lands my superior values and way of life! How can I leave them suffering under the yoke of their brutal oppressors? These mere usurpers, illegally claiming lands that rightfully belongs to me? The world is mine! Mine! Mine!


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Ceterum censeo Romanem esse delendam.

[Steve Clark]

Good to see the both of you again. How are your respective babies? It is one of the greatest joys in life is to watch the development of a child. My son is now 3 and he constantly amazes me as to what he learns to do. He even teaches me some things like to play more nice instead of trying to clobber everyone.

[Andz83]

quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture on 06-09-2000 11:51 AM In the spirit playing for fun, Andz's hometown soccer club, Cottbus, has been returned to the second division even though the should be eligible for promotion. Fans will be glad getting tickets will be easier since Dortmund and Bayern Munich won't be visiting.

[jpk]

Actually I think the people who post here are more cooperative than competitive.

When I first visited Apolyton Ming was sharing everything he knew about tribute. It was a big help and I appreciated it.

I don't know who first proposed OCC but there were questions about whether it was even possible. Then Paul came along and freely explained the techniques he used.

Many others have shared their discoveries as well.

Someone who was really competitive and interested solely in winning would not do these things. In fact they would try to disguise what they were doing.

As far as I can tell people have status here because the SHARE their expertise.

[Paul]

You're absolutely right. The reason why people come here is to talk about Civ and share their strategies so that they can all help each other become better players. That's what I like about Apolyton.

I could never have become a good OCC player if I hadn't read what the other people here wrote about it and I think it's only fair that I also write here about how I play OCC so that other people can also become better at it.

[Gatekeeper]

Jim W., et al.:

I wish I had your luck when it came to nuclear weapons. Sadly, that isn't so. I've personalized the RULES.TXT file sufficiently to make it more difficult to acquire nuclear weapons (read: more prereq techs) but that doesn't stop the AI from building the Manhatten Project.

A pattern I've noticed is that a "supreme" AI power will never go the nuclear route. However, if it falls to "strong" or lower (or the AI power at that level), it begins to build the damned thing. Why? Well, the only thing I can figure out is that the AI gets the "feeling" that w/o nuclear weapons, it will never regain/make it back to "supreme" status.

Of couse, by then, it's too late and every nuclear-capable nation (human, included) is building the durned things.

CYBERAmazon

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Resistance is futile. Lower your shields and disable your weapons. You will be assimilated into the Borg Collective.

[mindseye]

Returning to Andz83's topic of poor players...

Maybe there should be a second tier of "challenges" for those of us who are "victory-impaired". For instance, instead of the One City Challenge, there could also be the Twenty City Challenge.

Steve Clark - Howdy! I have actually been around Apolyton, I just fell into the "Off Topic" black hole. There lies danger. Good to hear from you!

- mindseye

[John-SJ]

mindseye:
"Maybe there should be a second tier of "challenges" for those of us who are "victory-impaired". For instance, instead of the One City Challenge, there could also be the Twenty City Challenge."

Well, in a way there is, it's called the Space Odyssey Challenge or SOC. The object is, given a comparison map so everyone gets the same start, to make it to AC by any means possible, OCC, ICS, perfectionist, it's up to you. Check out this thread, http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum3/HT...tml?date=13:39 and keep your eyes open, there should be a new SOC map out in about a week.

John-SJ