bc Bloodlust Challenge

[Oldman]

We've got OCC, Sp and multiplayer. So here is the New Speed Conquest Challenge, the bc Bloodlust!!!!!!!!

The rules are quite simple:
1) Conquer the Planet as quickly as you can.
2) No saving/reloading if things don't go your way!
3) See rule 2, I mean it!!!!!
4) Only your 1st attempt counts!
5) Keep a log! So other people can see how you did it, that way we can all learn how to play this game better. And i can put up a results table with comparitative points labled!
6) Make sure you enjoy yourself, lifes too short not too!!!

You can get the scenario from Here. The spec is:
Small random map
7 Civs
Raging Hordes
Don't restart eliminated players

Play as St George of the English, Try and play with Deity. But you if don't say what you did play with. Remember to have fun!!
[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited May 22, 2000).]

[Scouse Gits]

OK I've d/led it - Lord knows when I shall have time to play, but thanks Oldman. I rather suspect that you might get your revenge in this approach to the game.
Good civin'

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[DaveV]

Oldman - good idea. I've downloaded the file; I'll report back when I've played it (in about a week or so, probably).

[SmartFart]

File d/l-ed.
Will post about results later today.
What do you want me to write in log file?
Every single event (hut results,techs,building/capturing cities) or just some basics?

[Oldman]

Smartfart, Really we need to include research, huts, anything you build, cities you take over, when you destroy civs etc. Check out one of the occ logs and do something along those lines, but it's all in the name of fun, so don't break your back doing it or anything!??!

Just thinking about it, what are the important strategies for this game? i'll try and write a rules file like pauls occ one when i figure out how this game is played!!

[Smash]

uh oh.No log as I just finished OCC and was too lazy.

anyway I finished in 340 AD.No BC for me.I could have the record as 5 civs were down by 725 BC but I couldn't find the friggin Mongols!Imagine my fury when I did find where they were.argh!!

I got the first 5 with chariots and legions from huts.Well..I built a few chariots but got a half dozen legions from huts.Didn't have Chiv until 500bc or something.Didn't establish Monarchy till 1000BC.

This might catch on as it,like OCC, doesn't take too long.My game lasted about 2 hours(without log)Maybe another half hour for a log.That might get a little tedious as you may have a dozen cities.

[SmartFart]

Congratulations Smash!
Your score is far better than mine.
I made it 660ad.
1550 - Sun-Tzu
1450 - Chivalry
900 - Russians
60AD - Aztecs
120 - Mongols and Babilonians
460 - Vikings
660 - Americans

I faced 7!!! walled cities (4 of them on the river).
Did you encountered any?

Sorry i haven't made detailed log,but thats just too much for me.

[vik]

I need help. Here is a log, the best way I know how to do it.

4000bc- moved settlers west
3950bc- hut-legion; built london; london building warriors
3900bc- researching h-back riding
3850bc- founded York; york building warriors
3750bc- london builds warriors; building settler
3650bc- discovered h-back riding; researching cere burial; hut-50gold
3600bc- york builds warriors; building settler
3350bc- contact with russians; peace treaty for now
3200bc- london builds settlers; building some more; break treaty with russians
3100bc- nottingham founded; building warriors
3000bc- cere burial discovered; researching code of laws
2900bc- nottingham builds warriors; building settlers
2600bc- york and london each build settlers; building more
2450bc- hastings founded; building warriors
2300bc- canturbury founded; building warriors
2250bc- hastings builds warriors; building settlers
2200bc- discover code; researching trade
2100bc- nottingham builds settlers; building more
2050bc- canterbury builds warriors; building settlers
1900bc- london builds settlers; building more
1750bc- meet babylonians; get mysticism and pottery; peace for now
1650bc- found coventry and warrick; both building warriors
1500bc- York builds settlers; building more; moscow destroyed
1350bc- trade discovered; researching monarchy; switched to producing caravans
1200bc- newcastle founded; building warriors; babylonians offer alliance. Why not? 50 gold
1150bc- oxford founded; building warriors
1000bc- made a ceasefire with russians to save a city
800bc- monarchy discovered; researching fuedalism; revolt
750bc- contact with mongols; peace; 100 gold tribute
725bc- captured st. petersburg. Get map-making. Russia’s still not dead yet?

Ain’t no way I’m coming in before BC, so I’ll halt this game and ask for advice. I did my best attempt at ICS, but it is not something I really know hot to play, and quite uncomfortable for me to play after all those OCC games. Looking at the entire map, I see that I have 10 cities at size one or two; but there are still two russian cities; 4 mongol, 1 viking, 4 american, 2 babylonian, and 2 aztec. It is doubtful I would even have contact with the aztecs by 1-ad. I have little doubt I would win this game by around 1600-1700, possibly sooner, but I want to get better at fast conquest. Please give advice. I’m looking for tech-paths, unit building philosophies, city improvements, etc.

Thanks.

[Oldman]

Vik, I hope that some one here will gives us OCCer's some advice, it looks like w're going to get obliterated?!!?!? I'll try this tonight and see what i can come up with!! But i think i may need to change the name to just Speed Conquest Challenge SCC, hey that's actually a better idea - can Ming change thread titles?

Ming: In case you read this, do you like e-mails or would you rather we posted? Anyway, are you able to change the title of threads? if so do you want to change this one to "Speed Conquest Challenge", cheers!!

Good luck with your game Vik, maybe the trick is to just go all out for the military techs and get quick horses and knights?

[Smash]

I faced several river cities but I got to them before they could build phalanx and walls.Cept the Mongols who had walls but only 2 small cities,Dam Mongols.Needle in a haystack.They were right there...

I more or less went the hut route.I didn't finish Sun's until the first 5 were gone(after 725 BC).I got very lucky in that I found units close to civs as well as 2 nomads which allowed me build on their doorstep.

score was 1640-213%

anything pre AD requires a fair amount of good luck.

the tech path path is simple really.Monarchy-Feudalism-Chivalry.After Feudal you usually have to adjust your tax rate to 70-30-0 so you get Chiv about the same time as you finish Sun's.This one you started with a wonder tech but with none I usually take Map as I may need boats and it has a wonder attached.After Chiv I change to 70-0-30 and use incremental rush building for nothing but Knights.Maybe a few diplomats.I increase luxuries as I capture cities and "extra" unhappies start to appear.At the end I'll be running 30-0-70.I got kinda screwed by hut technology in this one but not a huge problem as I was never gonna see modern ages
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited May 23, 2000).]

[Oldman]

This is tougher than i thought!?!?!? I found the russians early, and wiped them out before they expanded!!! similar to the vikings!

I've almost got the americans, and the bulk of that force will finish off the babylonians!!! i've got about 3 chariots, 4 legion and about 4 horsemen assulting the aztecs, but as of yet haven't touched the mongols, found them late and my resources were needed elsewhere!!! I think i'll be luck to get a 600ad finish!!!

I have no idea where my techs are, sun tzu - Gazuntites!!! no idea, but i've turned out 100's of men!!!!

Does any one have any idea how to take walled cities, on forest squares?!?! with legion in side????? i've thrown 3 legion of mine at theirs and not even dented them, what shall i do?? do i just keep on sending in dips and hopeing they get lucky????

PS: it's currently 40ad
[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited May 24, 2000).]

[Smash]

I hate when you stall out against those walled river cities.You may have go after the walls with diplomats.Or bypass for now and overwhelm with sheer numbers later.Or try to get math and catapults.If it ain't a capitol,save up some gold and bribe the sucker

[Steve Clark]

I agree with Smash, a good army consists of half attack units and half bribe units. Except for the capital, bribing is the best way to go against walled, river/hill cities.

Actually, let me add to that. If the city requires way more gold than you have, use diplomats to sabotage, esp. the temple, then the city will go in disorder, thus cheaper to bribe. For capitals, use diplomats to weaken the defenses, esp. walls and units, and then you can easily attack with a handful of units.
[This message has been edited by Steve Clark (edited May 24, 2000).]

[SmartFart]

I spend over 20 diplos to get all-but-one walls down. American capital even had a Harbour

[Oldman]

Yeah, it looks like i'm going to have to do a lot more production to get this one wrapped up!!!!! bucket loads of dips, catapults, legion, chariots!!!! the list goes on...

I created a site yesterday, it's basically a modified version of Pauls OCC site cause i'd forgotten all the linking bits and i had a problem with word again!??! Have any of you ever got word to make a web page nicely for you??? so i went back to notepad and bumbled along?!?! anyway, it's basic but here it is The bc Bloodlust Challenge and i've been fiddling about with some Java too, wicked!!!! But, this is where i'll post anymore comparison zips in future!!