Old Fashioned OCC

[freshman]

Paul,
Thanks for taking the time to offer a newbie your wisdom.

I do plan on playing this same map again. And I'm going to make my goal launch by 1750 (during 10 year increments).

How do you get 80 production from that one city?
OK - so I mined the hill, had a RR on the hill and on the Buffalo, had the 1 forest on the river (the other 2 forests I irrigated for trade) and I had an Offshore Platform, and a Factory.
Net production: 40. Not even close to 80. What am I missing? King Richard's Crusade? Isn't that cancelled anyway?

90% science + growth larger than size 21 with Democracy; OK, I'll definitely switch to Democracy next time.

I'm going to try hutting more too. I guess that means building horsies and ships.

Are you saying I had bad luck with trade commodities with this game, or that I have a bad version of civ? (I don't have Gold or Multiplayer - not sure what 2.42 version is - I haven't downloaded any patches or anything yet - I bought my game in 1997).

[freshman]

80 production - now I see it. The trick is to mine rivered grassland and plains! I didn't think of that before, even though subconsciously I knew that trade wouldn't go away..it just seemed wrong - also mining the city square too! - That's still a lot of food that goes away if you mine too much, though.

[Paul]

You should have mined that one grassland on the river (and railroad that and the other forest) and build a power plant and manufacturing plant (robotics isn't on the path to space flight, but you really need those 80 shields, so it's worth the detour on your science path).

And I suppose you were unlucky with your trade commodities. In this game I did occasionally get new commodities.

You can find your game version in the game options menu. At the top of the menu it should say "Civilization II 2.42 Custom 08-Oct-96". If you have an earlier version you should get the 2.42 patch. You can find it at http://apolyton.net/cgi-bin/civ2/db/review.cgi?ID=191

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Paul
By the time you start building your spaceship you should make sure you produce at least 80 shields per turn, so you can build structurals in one turn. And you should have some caravans or freights ready for the components and modules.

There is no big need for an 80-shield production. I usually settle for 60 shields - saving the research for Mobile Warfare and Robotics - and spend 160 gold to rush-build a Barracks. For components, I rush-build a Barracks, then switch to an SDI Defence (200 shields) and rush-build that too, then switch once more to the component. In this game I was even able to increase the production to 70 shields just in time for optimal module production: start a Lighthouse, disband a unit, rush-build it, add one of my three caravans (no need to switch to a more expensive wonder) and switch to a module with 250 shields in the box.

I don't apply any tricks. Normally new commodities become available at irregular intervals in the game. Also, hides are often available as a repeat-commodity. That worked very well for Ribannah in this game, although it didn't work for me. I only got one hides caravan, but it happens more often that different commodities become available in the MGE and 2.42 versions.

No tricks here either, whether new supplies become available is partly random, partly dependent on tech discoveries and city growth (or rather the fields that are being worked). Hides are often produced in numbers, it wouldn't surprise me if this was simply a bug btw. However, I'd rather make one or two early demanded Gold deliveries (or even Wine) than a string of Hides. Still, it was pretty cool to see one long caravan moving south to Tenochtitlan.

I usually do a lot of exploring, but in this game I didn't get as many huts as I usually get.

The pattern was such that no huts could appear on the poles, so I didn't even bother exploring every inch of the map, and only built a ship when the Aztecs became hostile and I got my one Gold freight.

[mpolo]

ofocc

I discovered OCC about 2 months ago and have been working my way through the fortnight comparisons, and was excited to see current activity. Before I discovered OCC, I was playing single and was trying to find the optimal size and was getting landings in the mid 1800s. now I routinely land in the 1700. It was a GOTM game that SMASH did using OCC that made me aware of OCC. I am a MAC also.

I will submit 2 logs. The first time i did OFOCC, the americans were taken by the barbs,and I had a hard time setting up trade routes which gave me a bad game.and i landed in 1840. I tried to transfer the log to the computer, but it was tooo tedious. (the tripe o’s were a typo, but they seem appropriate), the next 2 attempts were done with geographic knowledge, although I wasn’t able to make much use of that as I couldn’t get the AI to give me much, and they knocked over all of the huts.

I Restarted from a time before the American disaster, and will submit 2 logs form that point. I used build settler at size 1 and then join city to jump to size 3 which I though was neat. then I built a Market place to optimize gold to build caravans by incremental steps to build collosus, trade rts etc.

The second Log is the same approach, but I Built a library first. I had a later landing, even though I did a much better job of shield management , and had several 1 turn advances due to caravans. This seems to justify the Idea of building gold earners first, and the beaker earner. I only went to Appolo and projected landing, I had enough caravan and techs that the next 40 turns were trivial.

I never got much in the way of gifts, I spent most of the game as supreme and wonder if that was why. there is not much info as to when diplomacy gets you gifts. I give all my knowledge away and make as many alliances as possible.

I have no clue how others are getting landings so much earlier? Maybe they could reveal their secrets. Do they focus on huts, or using the AI, or some secret tactic??


LOG1
3750 Cardiff is built
3650 Hut 25, buy 4 shields for Setter
3600 buy 7 shields for Setter total of 20
3500 MONARCY
3450 Revolution
3400 Monarchy
3300 Settler at size 1 full food box
3250 Size 2, rejoin settler to size 3
3200 Warrior
3150 CURRENCY, WLTKD, Hut Barb, Barb killed
3100 Warrior
3000 WRITING
2800 TRADE, Americans, alliacne, recived pottery.
2700 size 4
2500 LITERACY
2450 market place
2250 Mongols, Peace, Tribute 50, Trade MAP MAKING
2050 Phalanx, Aztecs peace, tribute get lost
1850 Diplomat
1800 Mongol tribute 50
1750 Trireme, Mongol tribute 25
1700 Bribe Barb archer 61 sup., barb leader 150
1650 Wine Wash 134, Aztec tribute HORSEBACK, disband warrior
1600 MASONRY, Hut SEAFARING,
1500 disband warrior
1450 hides Wash 56,
1400 Collosus, hides Wash72, Mongols Tribute 50
1350 MYSTICISM, beads Wash72
1300 LIbrary
1250 Temple, REPUBLIC
1100 Revolution
1050 Gov Republic, Alliance Aztecs no gift, Amer 25
1000 WLTCD
975 size 5
950 size 6, Philosophy, Construction, Settler, Hut Barb
925 size 7, Barbs Flee Diplomat?
875 Amer Trade to recieve BANKING, Gift 50
825 Gift Aztec 50
800 Collloseum, WLTCD, Hut Barb Bribe Horse 41
775 Size 8, Zulus Peace share map Trade MATHEMATICS, Gift Aztec 75
750 Size 9
725 Size 10, UNIVERSITY
700 SIze 11, hut 25
675 SIze 12, Bank
650 end WLTCD
600 University
500 WHEEL, Greeks peace trade IRON WORKING,
475 Vikings peace share map
375 MEDICINE
325 trade Americans get MEDICINE
300 Copernicus
275 BRIDGE BUILDING
200 SANITATION
75 Shakespears, WLTCD
50 Sewer, Aztec gift WARRIOR CODE,
25 Size 13

AD
1 Size 14
20 Size 15
40 Size 16 THEORY OF GRAVITY
60 Size 17
80 Size 18 DEMOCRACY
100 Size 19
120 Size 20 CHEMISTRY, revolution.
140 Democracy
160 Harbor, WLTPD
180 Size 21, GUNPOWDER
200 Size 22
220 Size 23
240 Size 24, METALURGY, war Mongols
260 End WLTPD
280 NAVIGATION
320 INC, PHYSICS
340 MAGNETISM, ceasre fire Mongols
360 STEAM ENGINE
400 ELECTRICITY
420 CONSCRIPTION
460 REFRIDGERATION
500 EXPLOSIVES
520 size 23, engineer
540 FEUDALISM
580 RAILROAD
600 size 22, engineer, WLTPD
620 SIZE 23, Industrializaiton, trame americans get ECONOMICS
640 size 24, superemarket
660 CHIVILARY, END WLTPD
680 STEEL
720 WLTPD
740 size 25, LEADERSHIP
760 size 26
780 size 27, COORPORATION
820 size 28, ATOMIC
840 SIze 29
860 end WLTPD, REFINING
880 factory
900 COMBUSTION
920 power plant
940 AUTOMOBILE
980 ELECTRONICS
1020 TACTICS
1060 MACHINE TOOLS
1080 darwins, MASS PRODUCTION, MINITURIZATION
1100 COMPUTERS
1120 MOBILE WARFARE
1140 ROBOTICS
1160 NUCLEAR FISSION
1180 NUCLEAR POWER
1220 FLIGHT
1260 LASER
1300 RADIO
1340 ADVANCED FLIGHT
1380 ROCKETRY, airport
1420 RECYCLING
1460 SPACE FLIGHT, americans end alliacnce
1480 appollo,
1500 PLASTIC, trade NY 284
1520 SUPERCONDUCTER, trade Aztecs POLYTHEISM alliance cancelled
1540 FUSION
1640 15 STRUCTRAL
1670 3 MODULES
1710 sell sewer
1730 LAUNCH, 1745
1731 FT1, trade COMMUNISM Americans peace, Barracks
1732 wall
1733 FT2, Coastal fortress
1736 FT3
1739 ESPIONAGE
1742 FT4
1745 AC

LOG 2
3750 Cardiff is built
3650 Hut 25, buy 4 shields for Setter
3600 buy 7 shields for Setter total of 20
3500 MONARCY
3450 Revolution
3400 Monarchy
3300 Settler at size 1 full food box
3250 Size 2, rejoin settler to size 3
3200 Warrior,
3150 CURRENCY, WLTKD, Hut Barb, Barb killed
3100 Warrior
3000 WRITING
2800 TRADE, Americans, alliacne, recived pottery.
2700 size 4
2500 LITERACY
2450 Library
2250 REPUBLIC
2100 Aztecs peace, Mongols peace
1850 BANKING
1550 Washington trade 154
1500 MYSTICISM, revolution
1450 Republic, Hut 50
1400 NY lost to barbs, WLTCD
1350 size 6
1300 size 7
1250 gift amercan HORSEBACK
1050 collosus, PHILOSOPHY, MANONRY, beads tenochitlan 254
1000 CONSTRUCTION
975 size 8, Americans G 50
950 marketplace, Americans G MAP MAKING
900 Colloseum
875 WLTCD
850 size 9, Aquaduct,
825 size 10
800 size 11
775 size 12, MATHEMATICS, beads tenochitlan 203
750 ASTRONOMY
700 Bank
675 UNIVERSITY
650 trade Aztecs get Medicine
575 University
525 WHEEL
450 Aztecs alliance G 25, Mongols war
400 Copes, ENGINEERING
350 SANITION
200 Sell Temple
175 Sell Colloseum
150 Shakespear
125 WLTCD, SEAFARING
100 size 13, sewer system
75 size 14
50 size 15, ECONOMICS
25 size 16

1 size 17
20 size 18, stock exchange
40 size 19, INVENTION
60 size 20
80 size 21, THEORY OF GRAVITY
100 WLTCD ENDS
140 DEMOCRACY, Instant revolution
160 WLTPD
180 size 22, CHEMISTRY
200 size 23
220 size 24, NAVIGATION
240 WLTPD ENDS
260 PHYSICS
280 INC, ATOMIC THEORY, trade Axtecs warrior code
320 STEAM ENGINE,
360 FEUDALISM
380 Trade Aztecs Iron Working
420 BRIDGE BUILDING
440 Barb 150
460 GUNPOWDER
500 METALURGY
540 RAILROAD
560 Darwins, EXPLOSIVES, MAGNETISM
580 INDUSTRIALIZATION, Engineer
600 Engineer
620 ELECTRICITY, Bribe barb archer 61
660 CONSCRIPTION
700 REFRIDGERATION
740 STEEL, Engineer
760 Greeks peace share map
780 CHILVARY
820 COPORATION, Supermarket, WLTPD, Zulus alliance trade POLYTHEISM
840 size 22
860 size 23, REFINING, gems 536 greeks, hut 50
880 size 24, COMBUSTION, Vikings peace share map
900 size 25
920 size 26, AUTOMOBILE, dye Americans 160
940 ELECTRONICS, end WLTPD
980 LEADERSHIP
1020 COMMUNISM
1040 disband engineer
1060 TACTICS, WLTPD, bribe barb archer 61 disband
1080 size 27
1100 size 28, MASS PRODUCTION
1120 end WLTPD
1140 MOBILE WARFARE
1160 bribe barb Rifleman 82
1180 MACHINE TOOLS
1220 MINITURIZATION
1240 offshore platform
1260 COMPUTER
1280 ROBOTICS, research lab
1300 NUCLEAR POWER
1320 NUCLEAR FISSION, salt Aztecs 157
1340 WLTPD
1360 size 29, LASER
1380 mass transit, end WLTPD
1400 FLIGHT
1440 RECYCLING
1480 RADIO, gems greeks 960
1500 ADVANCED FLIGHT, manufactuting plant
1520 ROCKETRY
1540 ESPIONAGE
1560 SPACE FLIGHT
1570 appolo
1763 LAND AC PROJECTED

[shade]

Well here's an other freshman at work.This is the first time i played OCC(because all the talk about it,just wanted to know what it was).I've been playing 2 days in a row and finally got a landing in 1881(this might seem very late to most of you but I mostly build up an entire civ than start war and set for launch when i'm forced to do so).During the ame there were 2 frustrating things
1) this bloody f****** keyboard from this laptop,always having to switch the keymodes messed up some stuf.
2)I had to be humble,this isn't me if someone threatens me they mostly don't survive it,now i had to be yes sir,ofcourse sir,thank you sir,...
Something else i thought that was quite stupid was the fact that the AI couldn't even keep up with my science rate( and i had only one city)I now know that if i had artificially kept them up to date it might have given me the possibility to launch maybe a few dozen turns earlier.I also had some bad luck with happines in the beginning(never played as a Republik before=> this really is the worst form of governement Beuech...My city also was an enviromental dessaster had to build engineers to keep up with the polution (oeps )
I'm also almost ashamed for all the money I squished out of my allies(in return for techs),I got more out of them then in all the games I played before together(11000gold )but I also had to provide them with 3/4 of their techs.Trade also was bad only had 3 resources and they didn't want to change .
There is also one thing that was special for me in this game "I have not attacked 1 single unit(except for barb leaders),and I didn't get (sneack)attacked by any kind of unit.

Ok here is the log:

occ log.
-----------
3750 BC Cardiff fouded
3650 BC hut Warrior Code
3300 BC invent Monarchy
REVOLUTION ->MONARCHY
3250 BC Declared MONARCH
Ally with Americans(for bronzeworking) get POTTERY
3200 BC disorder
3150 BC end disorder
3100 BC hut -> 50g
3000 BC settler
2850 BC get NONE Horse(hut)
2750 BC size 2 add settler Size3 build second warrior
2450BC Mongols give Currency,MapMaking,100gold(no Ally)
2350BC hut->Trade
2200BC Aztec->Horseback riding,100gold,no ally
2150BC size4
2100BC disorder
2050BC restored
1850BC go to war with American for 50 gold against Mongol
caese fire with mongols
1700BC build collosus
1550BC phalax
1450BC 50 gold from aztec
1400BC LITERACY
build trireme
1250BC build library
1200BC cease fire with mongols(americans are warmakers=> bad)
1150BC hut-> THe WHEEL
1050BC meet Viking=> peace
1000BC temple
950BC become republic
900BC hut->Mysticism
875BC WLTD
850BC size 6
hut->banking
825BC end WLTD
hut-> FEUDALISM
mongols->war
800BC beads caravan
775BC hut-> Seafaring
725BC meet GREEKS => they demand 50 gold => don't give=> war
650BC PHYLOSOPHY
hut-> Chivalery
625BC exchange maps with aztec
peace->alliance with greek
//note they all are very pleazed with me they just don't give me anything,as long as they get it's ok (bastards)
600BC beadscaravan to theothiuacan => 124 gold 4trade
550BC size 7
500BC POLYTHEISME
475BC meet ZULU-> they want 200 gold-> dont give->war(what's wrong with those ppl)
450BC get Iron working from aztec
allied with zulu
exchange knowledge with greeks=> get masonery,mathematics and construction
get 50g from americans(they get phylosophy)
cease fire with mongols
425BC hut->Medicine
375BC lost bar leader=> 150g
350BC Shakespear theartre
300BC americans give 50g
greeks give 50 g
225BC 75g from zulus 100g from greeks
125BC 75g from zulu 200g from aztec
100g from greek
75BC aztec ask for war against mongols=> ofcourse=> get 50g(like aztec)
build harbor
50BC size 8
build aquaduct
lost barb leader=> 150 g
25BC zulu 150g
greek 100g
2OAD marketplace
40AD Dye caravan to teotihuacan => 168g +6trade
100AD 100g from greeks 100g from zulu
50g aztec
160AD build Copernicus Obs
100g from zulu 25g from viking
50g from aztec+ exchange knowledge=> get university
200g from greeks
200AD size 9
260AD 150g from zulu 50g from aztec
100g from greeks
300AD 100g from zulu 50g from aztec
320AD king Richards cruisade
340AD 50g from zulu 100g from greeks
360AD DEMOCRACY
build university
380AD become democracy at last
50g from greeks,zulu and aztec(=150g)
400AD build bank
440AD exchange with viking get gunpowder +25g
460AD build caravan
100g zulu 25g viking 100g greeks
peace with mongols(for 3 techs)
480AD bridgebuilding
500AD aztecs establish traderoute from tenochtitlan=> get 7 trade arrows
25g zulu
520AD size 10
540AD exchange with Aztec=> get Chemistry
560AD Theory of gravity
50g from zulu
580AD 5Og from viking 150 from greek
700AD Isaac Newton
WLTP
720AD size 11
build musketeers
get LEADERSHIP in exchange from the mongols
740AD size 12
build musketeers
780AD build Sewer
size 13
25g from viking 150g from greeks
end WLTP
840AD size 14 get 200 g from Zulu
end alliance with viking
880AD pay 150g to mongol
ally with Mongol
50g from mongol
900AD Adam smith
940AD EXPLOSIVES
960AD build stockexchange
980AD METTALURGY
1020AD CONSCRIPTION
1060AD MONOTHEISME
traderoute wine to teotihuacan(not wanted)=> 55g
1080AD citywalls
1100AD NAVIGATION
1120AD WLTPD
1160AD PHYSICS
build granary
1180AD 61g from traderoute to teotihuacan
200g from zulu
size 17
100g from greeks
25g from mongols
1220AD Atomic Theory
size 19
152g from traderoute with Texcoco
1280AD TACTICS
size 21
1340AD MAGNETISM
1420AD AMFIBIOUS WARFARE
200g zulu
75g aztec get steam engine
100g from greeks war with viking
1440AD Marko polo
76g traderoute with teotihuacan
1460AD ELECTRICITY
1500AD traderoute with wachington 230g
1510AD REFRIGIRATION
1520AD Eifeltower
1540AD 50g greeks
100g mongols
1560AD build Super market
1570AD THEOLOGY
1590AD 200g zulu 75g aztec 100g greeks 50g mongols
1600AD RAILROAD
1610AD 200g zulu 75g aztec 100g greeks 50g mongols
1620AD Darwins Voyage
INDUSTRIALISATION
THE CORPORATION
1630AD 200g zulu 75g aztec 50g greeks 100g mongols
1640AD Factory
1670AD 200g zulu 50g greeks 100g mongols
1700AD COMBUSTION
1710AD 100g mongols
1720AD AUTOMOBILE
Wine traderoute with bokhara
1730AD build Super highways
exchange FLIGHT with aztecs
200g zulu
1740AD ELECTRONICS
100g zulu 50g greeks
1752AD MACHINETOOLS
50g zulu 75g aztecs 50g greeks
1756AD MASS PRODUCTION
1760AD 150g zulu 50g aztecs 50g greeks 75g mongols
1762AD MINITURIZATION
1772AD HOOVERDAM
MOBILE WARFARE from aztecs +100g
1774AD RECYCLING
200g zulu 50g greeks 150g mongols
1776AD build offshore platform
200g zulu 50g greeks 150g mongols
1778AD build Research Lab
200g zulu 50g greeks 150g mongols
1780AD build Recycling Center
200g zulu 50g greeks 150g mongols
1782AD build Mass transit
1784AD RADIO
wine caravan
1786AD 50g aztec 50g greeks 150g mongols
wineroute to Bokhara-> 185 g
1790AD ADVANCED FLIGHT
1796AD ROCKETRY
exchange with aztec =>get COMMUNISM+75g
50g greeks
1800AD NUCLEAR POWER
1802AD 150g aztecs
1804AD SPACE FLIGHT
1806AD size 30(and a moron aztec settler is trying to irrigate one of my forrests whaaaa!!!! )
200g zulu 50g greeks
1808AD build appolo program
1810AD ENVIROMENTALISM(moron aztec settler just destroyed my forrest Grrr)
200g zulu 50g greeks 75g mongols
1812AD build Solar Plant
200g zulu 50g greeks 75g mongols
1814AD ROBOTICS
200g zulu 50g greeks 75g mongols
1816AD Build manufacturing plant
=> start building spaceship(74 shields thanks to moron settler)
1820AD mongols take over texcoco=> moron settler dies end i get a farmed piece of land
exchange with mongols get GUERILLA WARFARE +150g
1826AD THE LASER
size 31
1834AD SUPERCONDUCTOR
1836AD production spiced up to 80 phew
1838AD exchange with zulu=> COMBINED ARMS+150g
1840AD 150g zulu 100g aztecs 50g greeks 50g mongols
1866AD LAUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 3 3 1 1 1
estimated arrival 1881
1877AD Build manhaten project(someone has to do it
1878AD ESPIONAGE
1879AD 5Og zulu
1880AD build SDI
1881AD LANDING => Got to AC before any other civ was even able to complete their spaceship
ZULU 7 2 2 0 0 0
GREEK 7 2 2 0 0 0
MONGOL 23 6 6 1 1 1 (ready for launch but to late)
I win and without the moron engineer it would have been 6 turns earlier.

Phew it's finished now i can finally rest.

Shade

[freshman]

Although not impressive, I was happy with my second game of OCC ever. I replayed with this map. This time after digesting some of your hints from this thread, reading the Paulicy about 3 times, and reviewing some of your logs here, I launched in 1788 and landed in 1803. I missed my goal launch date of 1750 by 19 turns; se la vie. But, on the bright side, I cut the number of turns to launch from my first game by 61 turns! That seems like a good learning curve. Just 34 turns behind most of you experts, and 64 turns behind the lady-god who calls herself Ribannah.

I wanted to do some more detailed analysis of your games. One thing I did was to take Smash's, Paul's, Solo's and Ribannah's games and add up the outside gold they pulled in. Now Smash, Paul, and Solo all achieved comparable landings, so I was surprised how much the gold they pulled in differed. Ribannah didn't seem to mention all the times she got gifts - unless it was like more than 100 gold. Here's the summary:
Player___#Gifts___Gifts___Hut/Barbs___Caravans____Total
Smash___22_____1275___575________3329_______5179
Paul_____8_______700___350________2125_______3175
Solo_____85!_____4525_____________4876_______9401
Ribannah_3?______850?__500________2932_______4282

Solo pulled in 3X as much gold as Paul and launched at the same year. I can't figure out how Solo wasted his gold. Ribannah is second to last in amount of gold collected (though she had 13 caravans with good), yet she won by a long shot.
One thing to note: the number of caravans with goods seemed to be 10-11 in number.
Clearly just getting a lot of gold isn't the answer; its how you spend it.

More analysis may follow; like how many 1 turn advances; how much do you get the AI to research for you; etc...

[Smash]

Thats interesting.Solo really raked it in comparatively.Ribannah plays MGE so,by default,will receive less gifts.She'll need to juice taxes here and there.Obviously not a problem

[freshman]

So I did a solo-Ribannah comparison of tech-advances that I thought you might find interesting as well as a summary of key improvements timing.
Player____#techs__#turns__ave__#free__#traded__#1-turn
Ribannah__53_____136_____0.39__3______9_______13
Solo______53_____157_____0.34__1______18______5

#techs = had to discover on own (not hut/not free/not traded)
#turns = turn from first tech to last tech discovered.
ave = #techs discovered / #turns
#free = from Philosophy and Darwin
#traded = #techs gained from other civs
#1-turn = #techs took 1 turn to get.
Note: Ribannah had 4 1 turn-techs BEFORE superhighways!

Turn # for key improvements
______________solo______Ribannah
Marketplace_____87________40
Bank__________104_______55
Stock Exchange__135_______63

Library_________33_______48
University_______86_______65

Colosus________73_______38
Cop's__________80_______83
Isac's__________103______103


I think these are pretty telling of Ribannah's success.
She had 15 turns more of +50% gold
And 8 turns of +100% gold
And 24 turns of +150% gold
Then 17 turns of +150 vs. +50 gold
then 31 turns of +150 vs. +100 gold

She had 21 turns more of +100% research
Solo had 15 more turns of +50% research, though Ribannah more than made up with the early Colosus:
She had 35 more turns of +7 trade (she was size 7) and 10 more turns of +12 trade (when she grew to 12) with the Colosus built earlier.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by freshman
Ribannah didn't seem to mention all the times she got gifts - unless it was like more than 100 gold.

All 4 occasions were mentioned, I was not in a position to ask for more. In fact I had to pay the Aztecs 400 gold to trade for Physics - which was essential at the time - so my net result from gifts was a mere 475 gold. Not unusual in a fast MGE game.

[Laertes]

I also succeeded at OCC for the first time with this game, so thanks for posting it!

My landing was in 1936, and I am well-chuffed with that, despite the other performances itemised here. Fortunately, I did not keep a log, or you would all die laughing.

Key differentiators as far as I can tell:
- built wonders in a different order to Ribannah
- did not build Darwin or MPE
- forgot to sell off aqueduct etc
- over-configured spaceship
- wasted several turns trying to figure out what sciences I could possibly need to start building structurals, until I realised that I had all of them but that I needed to build Apollo Program (doh!)
- built a Temple !!! (cannot see this on Ribannah's log)

I improved on my micromanagement compared to previous games, but still wasted turns and shields when rushbuilding could have been afforded.

I got overrun with barbs in the end game. They were never a threat, but I had to fret about rising pollution while they pillaged and I had to keep my clean-up brigade inside the city.

Will try and improve!!
Fergus

[Immortal Wombat]

I suck.

I have played this through four times. The twice that I wasn't conquered with my spaceship still on its launch pad, my predicted arrival date was 1981. I'm sure I followed the Paulicy almost to the letter, but nothing I did seemed to speed up my game

Oh yeah, and how come none of you got barbs? They were everywhere

[Laertes]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
I suck.

I have played this through four times.

I am now on my sixth attempt. First attempt (described above) 1936 landing. 2nd and third aborted after early death of second settler, and/or war with neighbours, or failure to get key wonders in early game. (plenty of sucking going on here, IW!

Fourth game managed to improve landing by about 5 years.

Fifth game abandoned

Sixth game ready to launch in 1880, except have forgotten to get fusion power, and cannot configure spaceship! Probably could have landed around 1900. Am going to finish this game to ensure that I at least land!

I got production of 93!! but never got close to 1 turn sciences. I discovered Flight just after I built superhighways, and could not postpone it any longer. At 90% science, I was churning out arond 880 science beakers.

Hang on in there IW!!

Still about 150 years behind good performance.

[freshman]

First game ever: 1916 AD
Second game ever: 1803AD
Third game ever: 1646AD

Thanks to Smash for posting this. It was a great introduction to playing OCC. This time I really tried to learn from the best. I tried to follow Ribannah's game, and gradually lost 26 turns over her game. This game, the Aztecs, Greeks, and Mongols refused to ally with me about 6 times each before I just gave up; (they claimed I was "weak and offered them nothing"...even though I was Mighty/Strong most of the time and gave them good techs - even withheld some techs hoping they'd ask for it when allying). I even thought MPE would help me get alliances. No such luck. Too bad, 'cause I was really strapped for cash; I had many turns of low science rate just so I could do rushing. The Americans were the only civ that Allied with me - too bad, because they were nearly always lower on the PG, and so only gave me gold once! I also only delivered 6 caravans; much lower than my other games. Ribannah delivers 13 caravans. I could have done much better handing out techs to get the AI to do more research for me - like Chivalry.
One thing drove me nuts: I'd calculate the # of beakers needed, and would miss - even though I hadn't changed on the PG and my total # needed didn't change. I swear this happened like 2 or 3 times; can't explain it. Seems like you should always add in a fudge factor.

OK, so here's the log for what its worth:

AC: 1646

-3450 Monarchy
-2650 Republic
1AD Democracy - switch in 60 AD

Colossus: -2050
Marco Polo's Embassy: -750
Shakespears Theater: -375
Copernicus: -125
Isac Newton's: 80
Darwin: 580
Apollo: 1320

trade routes: -1050, -925, -900

Size 12: -850
Size 20: -50
Size 23: 200
Size 28: 1180

total gold from allies: 50g
total gold from Barbs+huts: 150
total gold from Caravans: 1615

Trade: -2000
Construction: -1850
Sanitation: -250
Refrigeration: 800

Automobile: 640
Computers: 1020
Flight: 1100
============================
3750 Founded cardiff
3650 h(100)
3600 warrior
3500 temple - start colossus
3450 Monarchy [18 to next]
3400 2->Az, no ally
3350 h(50)
3250 S2
3200 Writing [24]
3000 Literacy [36]
2850 3->Mon, no ally [32-key Az]
2750 S3
2700 [36 again, key light-Blue]
2650 Republic [45] Rep->Mon, Rep->Az, Currency<-Az, no ally [60]
2600 We Love [54] (50%)
2550 S4 (50%)
2500 S5 (30% - ending)
2450 We Love ends
2350 Mysticism [63]
2300 We Love
2250 S6
2200 S7
2150 We Love ends .. now
2050 Colossus
2000 Trade [80]
1900 marketplace
1850 trade for Construction (Az) [90]
1800 mine
1750 wine
1700 met Am - give 2 tech - no ally
1650 hides. 2 Barb archers
1550 beads
1250 Banking [110], trade for MapMaking (Am), ally (yeah!) strapped for cash
1200 S8 4->Mon, no ally; 1->Am [99]
1100 bank, 2->Az,
1050 wine delivered (134) trade for Masonry (Am) [120]
1000 Philosophy, Medicine. Aqueduct
975 1->Mon
950 colosseum, We Love,
925 S9 [154] beads(148)
900 Mathematics, food, S10 [180] hides(203) 1->Am
875 University, S11 [224], 5->Am, 3->Az, 2->Mon trade for the Wheel [255]
850 university, S12, still mighty
825 food, We Love Ends
800 food
775 food
750 Marco Polo's Embassy; need cash;
725 Economics [228]
700
675
650
625 stock exchange; jungle irrigated
600 Theory of Gravity [400!]
575 dye
550 food
525 food
500 food
475 food - barb archer
450 food
425 -
400 food
375 Shakespears Theater
350 trade for Horsebackriding (Am), 50 g
325 salt
300 food
275 dye
250 Sanitation, (end 13 turn high tax-rate!) We Love, sell temple
225 sewer system, S13
200 S14 , food
175 S15 food
150 S16, food
125 Copernicus (competing with Aztecs for this - use 4 food, 1 dye, rush rest), S17
100 food, S18
75 food, S19, salt (316,d)
50 Invention [494], food, S20, trade Greeks for Iron Working
25 food [513]
1 Democracy, food [560], We Love Ends 5->Grk, [532]
20 food
40 Gunpowder, food [551]
60 food - switch to Democracy
80 Isac Newton's
100 Explosives. We Love [570]. Trade for Sea & Nav [608]
120 S21, harbor
140 Bridge Building, S21, engineer
160 S21, engineer
180 Physics S22, [646]
200 food, S23
220 Steam Engine, We Love ends [700]
240 food
260 Railroad [720]
280 food
300 Industrialization [740]
320 factory (31)
340 Metalurgy, food [798] 5T->Am [722]
360 food
380 Magnetism, food [741]
400 food
420 Electricity, [760] food
440 food
460 Conscription, food [820] 3->Am[779]
480 food
500 Steel, food [798]
520
540 Corporation, food
560
580 Darwin -> Refining, Electronics
600 Combustion [920]
620
640 Automobile [940]
660 superhighways - Trade for Fuedalism [960]
680 Mass Production [980]
700 hydro-plant
720 Chivalry [1050] 5->Am [950]
740
760 Leadership [979] mass transit,
780 gems
800 Refriguration
820 Supermarket
840 Tactics [1007], coal
860 food
880 Atomic Theory [1080],food
900 food
920 Machine Tools [1100]
940 food
960 Mobile Warfare [1120], gems (244), food
980 Miniturization [1197], food
1000 food, we love
1020 Computers [1218], S24, coal(570 d)
1040 Robotics, research lab, S25 [1062]
1060 Nuclear Fission [1080]- Armor - just in case - we love ends
1080 Nuclear Power, diplomat
1100 Flight [1178], diplomat
1120 diplomat, we love
1140 Radio, S26,
1160 S27, Offshore Oil
1180 Advanced Flight, S28
1200 We love ends
1220 Laser, manufacturing plant
1240 food
1260 Rocketry, food
1280 food
1300 Space Flight, food
1320 Apollo
1340 Plastics,S#1
1360 S#2
1380 Combined Arms, S#3
1400 S#4
1420 Superconductor, S#5
1440 S#6
1460 Fusion, S#7
1480 S#8
1500 S#9
1510 S#10
1520 S#11
1530 S#12
1540 S#13
1550 S#14
1560 S#15
1570 M#1
1580 M#2
1590 M#3
1600 C#1
1610 C#2 launch
1646 Arrive AC