guerilla warfare.

[Aurelius]

Sten,
Yeah, don't send that Camsite to Apolyton today! Though if I look real hard, I can see a freighter in the bay so maybe I can walk down to the local pub and dip my nose in the Guinness during the eye of the SF storm.

Steve, that's right, your brother goes to the school here. I saw Mayor (Willie) Brown, give a commencement speech at State about 3 or 4 years ago--his reputation percedes him and lingers behind in royal truckery. I've always liked the campus and the attitude. There's about four other good bars in the Lower Haight--but the crowds are too young rowdy for me.

Too bad Sten's is pulling tabs off a can of Guinness at home in front of Fox and the weather station...

AU

[Sten Sture]

I have no idea how to get this thread back to Guerilla Warfare, or the Lighthouse.

You are correct on those cans of Guinness (at least they are Draughts with the CO2 cartridge.) I guess I could also get a roadie from Finnigan's Wake. To Dublin! Cheers.

[Scouse Gits]

Steve:

I’m not sure if this is the information that you need.
I think the upgrade of ground units with Leonardo’s goes:

Warriors to Pikemen at Feudalism
Warriors/Pikemen/Phalanx/Archers/Legion to Musketeers at Gunpowder
Musketeers to Riflemen at Conscription

Horsemen/Chariots to Elephants at Polytheism
Elephants to Crusaders at Monotheism
OR to Knights if you have Chivalry before Monotheism. (Not sure about this as I always head for Mono)
Crusaders/Knights to Dragoons at Leadership
Dragoons to Cavalry at Tactics

Settlers to Engineers at Explosives
Caravans to Freight at Corporation
Diplomats to Spies at Espionage

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Sten: For your next OCC map make it SF with four specials:
Foghorn/Footballer/Beer Pump/Fantasy Bar

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Scouse Git (2)

[DaveV]

SG2 - Phalanxes will upgrade to Pikemen if you discover Feudalism before Gunpowder. I believe that Horsemen upgrade to Knights with Chivalry, and Chariots to Elephants with Polytheism. And you forgot a few:

Catapult to Cannon with Metallurgy
Cannon to Artillery with Machine Tools
Explorers to Partisans with Guerilla Warfare

I love Leo's!

[Scouse Gits]

Dave V - Thanks again. Forgot about catapults as I never build them - but I have to bribe them on occasions! What I didn't realise was the Explorer/Partisan upgrade.

I'm thinking of putting all the Leo's upgrades into one thread, so it can be used as a reference. Before I do this - am I correct in thinking that air units never upgrade via the workshop? (I very seldom build them and when I do Leo's is dead - as I prefer to preserve the Colossus)

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Scouse Git (2)

[Sten Sture]

To upgrade Air units you wuld need to get Stealth which requires Laser which requires Mass Prod which requires Auto. I guess it is theoretically possible to do it, but you would need to get Mass Pro from a hut since you couldn't trade around Auto without somebody having it.

SG - I like the SF OCC idea! Home field advantage for Aurelius and me.
[This message has been edited by Sten Sture (edited February 04, 2000).]

[Aurelius]

DaveV found away to get back to Guerilla Warfare in the context of Leo's--explorers to Partisans....

Mass Production in a hut...you surely would have to reduce the AI's to pet cities while you pursued Stealth upgrade.

AU

[Xin Yu]

I don't think it is possible to get air units upgraded. Automobile discovered by any civ will render Leonardo obselete.

[Aurelius]

Is it possible to get Mass Production through a hut? Was wondering how the game determines hut tech? Perhaps one can't get a hut tech that doesn't have the required tech tree already developed...that would make Stealth Upgrade impossible unless we cheat.

AU

[Steve Clark]

I thought we concluded awhile back that after Invention, one doesn't get anymore scrolls from a hut? One of the distant ancestors of Mass Prod is Invention, therefore not possible?

[Sten Sture]

While it is true that the rules say you can't get scrolls after Invention, I recall reading on this esteemed forum that occurences of strange advances have been recorded. (as have sightings of Bigfoot/Yeti, and the Loch Ness Monster) I would place the probability of getting Stealth before anyone has Automobile somewhere around the probability of seeing one of the above mythical figures.

[Sivro]

It seems to me that I have never received an advance from a hut where I didn't have the prerequisites of that tech. If this is true, the "mass production hut" would be impossible.

[Sten Sture]

Sivro - the strange advances bug may have been fixed in one of the many patches, I have never seen it happen. (that I can recall)

[Ming]

Yes Sivro, you are correct. You must have the needed sciences before you can get it from a hut. I have never seen a science given by a hut after invention. But some people claim that they have... so if that rule is broken, any science could probably be gained

[War4ever]

mass production is the one i most commonly hear and have seen myself.... although i could include mobile warfare and space flight... the only question i have is this.... if some monor tribe had space flight, how did they stay minor lol unless they only new that