Razing cities

[Spartan_RawB]

I was in a game the other day. Captured enemy cap. After its capture, I put in a defender and the cap had a wonder. At this point the city is size 2.

The next turn, the city is still size 2. Enemy attacks it, and kills the defender. Reduces it to size 1. Then, he sends a unit to recapture his capital.

At this point, I expected the city to be razed, but...it wasn't. Why?

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I assume no walls, of course, since the city was reduced to size 1 on the first attack.

I've seen this as well... probably some random factor at work.

[Spartan_RawB]

Needless to say, it sucked. The city was built on a forest, and it had a wonder. That's all. Anyone seen this?

[Scouse Gits]

I believe this phenomna is a function of the state of the food box - but I am prepared to be contradicted...

SG[1]

[solo]

Capitals have some special properties. Maybe among them is an immunity to being razed.

[rah]

What type of unit razed it? Might the glitch be if a non-offensive unit is the razer.

I can remember this happening once on one of my cities by the barbs. I expected the (original size two and reduced to) one size city to be destroyed and it instead turned into a barb city (it wasn't my capital) But I can't remember if an offensive unit did the final stroke or whether it was the king.

Rich

[Spartan_RawB]

It was a catapult in there. And his elephant killed the cat, and took cap I think.

Anyway, I lost that game b/c of that failed surprise attack. His SZ lived on.

[LDiCesare]

Size 1 cities are not destroyed if they had been previously owned by the attacker. It's been explained somewhere, maybe the GL...
I don't know how long the "used to own that city" flag lasts, but it also helps lowering the cost for bribing the city if I am not mistaken.
So if you take a city then lose it to the previous attacker within a few turns, it is not destroyed (and the message says they "liberate" the city). If a lot of time passes or someone else takes the city, then population is reduced.

[rah]

In my case, I had been the sole owner of the city in question. So something else also has to contribute.

[War4ever]

i have seeen this happen to and it has left me scatching my head.....i think the grain box is a logical explanation...but how many of us are checking the box..... only when size one and determining whether or not to attack out against barbs.....at least for me...

nothing pisses me off more than a city that grows to size two as it loses its defender, only to be taken the next turn....

i suppose i should be thankfull, i can always bribe it back but i think my ego would rather it was just destroyed

[Heresson]

Barbarians never raze a city... Do they?

[Straybow]

Yes, I believe I've seen barbs raze a city. It was Moscow, a single-city empire, with a wonder in it. It was ages ago… wait a minute, it might have been Civ1…

[rjmatsleepers]

I had a Civ2 game recently where the barbs razed one of my cities

BTW - When do they ask for money rather than attack Is it worth removing a weak defender in order to pay them off

RJM at Sleepers

[Scouse Gits]

The barbs will demand cash if you have > 50g in the kitty...

SG[1]

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by rjmatsleepers
I had a Civ2 game recently where the barbs razed one of my cities

BTW - When do they ask for money rather than attack Is it worth removing a weak defender in order to pay them off

RJM at Sleepers

IMO, yes. Particularly if you have enough cash so they will ask, but not so much that they'll ask for a lot. And especially when your defender will be overwhelmed anyway. My question is... do they ALWAYS ask for cash when at the gates of an undefended city and you have >50g? (@ SG [1] )

That said, there's a school of thought in these parts advocating the abandonment of a small, non strategic city to barbs, and then stationing a diplomat nearby to bribe cheap NON units. Handy, especially in Republic/Demo (and better with Leo's).