Trade??

[Scouse Gits]

Thoddy - you appear to be in a minority here ... the evidence provided by StrayBow seems somewhat compelling - could it be that your results were garnered post Flight where the reduction might now make sense?
Can you post a save in which it is easy to see your figures verified?

SG[1]

[Thoddy]

I couldnt look at the madsave.

I try to install civ2 2.42 a second time but it doesnt work. :mad
So I m only able to test with FW. I will use my own sav wich is postet in the Slow Thinker corruption/waste thread from last month.

[Scouse Gits]

FW should be able to load and play a 2.42 save game, but not a MGE one. Thanks very much for revisiting this

SG[1]

[Thoddy]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
FW should be able to load and play a 2.42 save game, but not a MGE one. Thanks very much for revisiting this

SG[1]

Same odd thing, my FW was not able to open the posted save.

Until yesterday I had 4 civ2 installations on my computer.
2.42
FW
MGE
ToT.
And they all were ok.

Then the sav come and crush my 2.42.

[Straybow]

Politburo, schmolitburo

"…I renamed it Sarzanagrad"

Originally posted by Messer Niccolò

... and Politburo will send you to chop some woods in the northern parts of the country for this... we won't forget!

Hey, don't b!tch at me. STYOM changed it to "AllWisdom" or some such, I changed it back (sort of) since you are so fond of Sarzana.

All those city names, especially the "XIsWise" ones, just reminded my of the smarmy, butt-kissing Dominion advisor from ST:DS9. "OOOoooh, the Founder is wise!"

[Straybow]

Did you try "ye1786.sav" that I posted? That's the one where you can check the Sarzana values as is, then without rail, then without road.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Re: Politburo, schmolitburo

Originally posted by Straybow
"…I renamed it Sarzanagrad"

Hey, don't b!tch at me. STYOM changed it to "AllWisdom" or some such, I changed it back (sort of) since you are so fond of Sarzana.

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Thoddy

Then the sav come and crush my 2.42.

Sorry for you , Thoddy
(no great surprise though if the sav was coming from the creator of the MAD canal =

[La Fayette]

BTW Thoddy, I don't think you really need that save, because the 50% bonus with roads and 100% with railroads have been tested by so many people that I am convinced that there is something wrong with your 33 and 66.

[Thoddy]

Trade test

ca_b4000.sav freights created
see cab4000.sav trade routes installed
spezial rules. -increased trade and movement for freights
Capital has Airport size 4
other cities size 1
all cities trade with Capital


------------------------------base trade--traderoute---sum

no road, no traderoute---------23--------------0----------------23
traderoute---------------------23---------------6---------------29
traderoute+road on opt path---23----------------9---------------32
traderoute+RR on opt path----- 23--------------12--------------35

-RR and Road bonus are lost if distance exceeds 22 tiles
-Airport has road effect (Airport)
-Airport + additional road has only road effect (r6)
-RR and road bonus cancelled if there is a enemy unit occupying the optimal path
(see partisan near updiagup)
-if there is a gap in the RR or road path only the city with the gap within
cityradius is affected by this (see rroad10)
-zero meridan cancels road and RR effects (see cities "zero..")


Seems my former statement was wrong. If I remember right I calculated the road
bonus in another way basing on the base trade. But my 1/3 is also not correct
basing on this test.

[Scouse Gits]

Thank you, Thoddy - now we are all in agreement.

May I seek a clarification - does this mean that the 'optimal path' is irrelevent outside the city radius and thus if only trade considerations are important if we act like the AI and cover all city squares with RR we get maxed trade routes EVEN IF THE CITIES ARE NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTED ??

SG[1]

[Thoddy]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
May I seek a clarification - does this mean that the 'optimal path' is irrelevent outside the city radius and thus if only trade considerations are important if we act like the AI and cover all city squares with RR we get maxed trade routes EVEN IF THE CITIES ARE NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTED ??

SG[1]

Yes, it seems so, that building roads on the opt. path outside the city radius is not neccessary.

See the included sav, remove roads and RRs. Only 1 city will be affected by this,

But an enemy on the optimal path blocks the full path.

So if another player trade with only 1 city of its own, block this city with some units, the road bonus disappears a lot of trade is lost and with a little luck some cities fall into civil disorder.

I didnt test the foreign and island bonuses.

[Straybow]

Maybe interdiction by enemy units depends on being in city radius; I know for certain the route must be complete the whole way. For those who can load ye1786, if you send the unused Cavalry down to the plains tile below the mountain on the Sarzana route and pillage the RR, trade routes drop from +11 to +8. That is the only tile on the route not in any city radius.

I activated cheat and killed the two Engrs in the tile, then switched to Celts and cheated a Knights there. The diplomacy screen popped up and Comradess yerMa demanded the Celts break treaty with the Vikes. I said, "No!" and the Comradess declared war. I switched back to Scouse and Sarzana trade routes were +5.

Interdiction and incomplete routes matter outside the city radius. Whether that is always the case can't be determined from this test.

[debeest]

Thoddy: To post the disproof of your own claim is a righteous action. Well done.

[Thoddy]

Originally posted by Straybow

Interdiction and incomplete routes matter outside the city radius. Whether that is always the case can't be determined from this test.

Look at my save kill the partisan, and you will see a answer.

I think its not fair to say it "can't be determined from this test" without a look at the test save.