Civ2,I'm sorry,will you take me back?

[solo]

I like the CivIII goto command better than the CivII goto command! It works! Add this and a few of the cool new features of CivIII into CivII and I'll start to salivate.

Seriously, I miss many of the details of CivII which vanished from the more homogenous CivIII, plus all the things mentioned above. They may be able to "fix" CivIII, so I will wait and see, but in many ways, the CivII experience was hard to improve upon. We may have had unrealistic expectations.

It looks like the main purpose of CivIII was to thwart ICS, so it is ironic that the most efficient strategies so far use a grotesque pop-rush version of ICS to beat that design bias. Which is better, an extreme strategy, or being herded like cattle to play only the way the designers wanted. Playing style was matter of free choice in CivII, with notable successes coming in many different and surprising ways. It's what made the game great.

[Smash]

hehehe....I tryed to tell them their changes were just going to make ics even better than in civ2....oh well......this game definitely rewards the war mongering expansionist.Perfect for lots of small cities fast.Since you get obsene pollution from anything over size 12 it makes even more sense to cram them in.

Maybe they'll get it right again in Civ 4

[shade]

It looks like the civ3 rush is wearing out.
(did a poll and got a 50/50 result (like/dislike) )
and ppl will come back here 'en mass'.

Shade

[Lars-E]

That's right shade.

I'm back for civ2 too.

Bought civ3 the 17th of Nov - the day after it's release in Scandinavia, but haven't really looked much into it. So I guess my opinion isn't very qualified. Anyways here's my first impressions:

Don't like those little scrolls with info. Scrolls seem to be a trend/popular thing in new games. Unfortunately civ3 had to go along..And the unit graphics - nice movement and all - but too tiny!!

I'm sure the game would have been more appealing had Sid Meier had a hand in making the game - not just lending his name.

Civ2 is still great and will be for a long time..Did the same guys develop civ3??

Maybe we can hope for Sid Meier's active participation in civ4 ?


I see that the civ2-strategy archives have been deleted? Anywhere I can access them?

[solo]

Lars-E,

I believe the archives have been temporarily shut down because of the big slowdown on the servers here. I know for sure that use of the search function has been suspended for this reason.

In my book, every opinion has equal weight, too, and equal value. I think Sid did some playtesting, leaving most of the design decisions to others. He seemed to be more interested in his Sim Golf project.

[Smash]

I've seen him say several times in print that he was done with the Civilization series.He wants to move on,blah blah blah.He has other interests and projects,blah blah blah.

Now he can say "Hey I didn't make the game"

No.Civ3 is not made by the same gang.Microprose and Firaxis.I don't know if any of the staff were involved with Microprose.By the looks of the game,I'd say there were some former SMAC and CtP people involved.

[Carolus Rex]

NB! I haven't played Civ 3 (yet)...

...but I couldn't help finding the following a sad testimony of Civ 3's greatness.

Originally posted by solo
I like the CivIII goto command better than the CivII goto command!

Heh, heh, heh! How's that for an improvement of a great game... Maybe something to put on Civ 3's tombstone? "At least it had a better goto command than Civ 2..."

Again, I should hold my silence forever or, at least, until I have played the game...

Carolus

[Smash]

...and brian reynolds left just as,or just before the ball got rolling.This could not have helped the civ2 players hopes for civ3.

[drake]

Rest assured my love....I have been loyal to you

[La Fayette]

The best of friends is:
solo.
He sent me the game over the Atlantic (and that was badly needed since there is no civ3 coming to France before 2002).
Now I haven't even got acquainted with the goto command (...remember those bras with hidden buttons?).
Much too soon for me to say a word about pros and cons. civ3 is in front of me like a newborn infant: don't know at all whether the eyes are going to turn blue.
Anyway I never planned to throw away civ2 (so many scenarios left, and my friend Marquis is in the HoF now).
...and LOL@smash: that was nicely worded.

[oedo]

Re: NB! I haven't played Civ 3 (yet)...

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
...but I couldn't help finding the following a sad testimony of Civ 3's greatness.
Heh, heh, heh! How's that for an improvement of a great game... Maybe something to put on Civ 3's tombstone? "At least it had a better goto command than Civ 2..."

nono. the tombstone will remain empty. even the goto command isn´t better. in civ2 after entering ´g´a window pops up, where you can choose the destination city.
in civ3 you will have to scroll to your destination, since there is no such window.

but you should give it a try and play a game, once you have 150 hours left

[Ming]

While I like Civ III... it still has a long way to go still. And I wonder if it will ever be ready for MP. It has a lot of nice features, but it truely is a different game that just happens to have a lot of things similar to Civ II.

Maybe it's time to take a real hard look at Free Civ again. While I have not yet given it a fair chance, many indicate that it is closer to what many of us are looking for than CivIII. Plus, it's possible for them to make MANY changes still to Free Civ based on what people want.

Hmmmmm....

[Smash]

has anybody had a good look at Clash?

[Jaguar]

Haven't bought Civ3. I intend to though. Civ2 for 5 years was worth more than 29.99. I'll give 3 a try.

[Julius Brenzaida]

Ming, you’re right on target : civ3 is a great game, too. I like it, good graphics, some nice ideas (commerce, diplomacy, golden ages), tough to play. But it should not be compared too much with civ2. They’re different, that’s it. It’s not because I play civ3 that I won’t play civ2 anymore. Hmm, spies, caravans, wonder movies, scenarios ...
Yesterday I saw civ3 to a friend and he was overwhelmed. I really think the civ2 community dreamed too much ... And there should be some times before we discover some great original strategies (at least I hope so),
Anyway, if I am still in this forum it is to enjoy civ2 and not criticize civ3. I think that civ fans should give a try to civ 3, it’s a good game and it will make them love some aspects of civ2 still better.
But, remember that perfection does not exist.
And that as Smashed put it very nicely, love lives forever.