How to defeat this guy?

[Hendrik the Great]

Well, I am playing a multiplayer game on the large world map that comes with the game. I am in controll of both north and south america and at war with the vikings who stretch from the UK to, however thining out a lot, to China. Also he holds west-central africa. On science we are even, he is democracy I communist and a bit smaller than he is in population.
He just buys everything with his spies and I can't do anything about it. I don't have a lot of money to spare so I need to use ordinary military methods.
How can I defeat him militarily? I also lack some of the good wonders like Hoover, Michelangelos and the science wonders.

What I envisioned was to knock out his coastal cities along the atlantic first and then his capital but I need to avoid being bought away and I cannot ever deploy so many units as to stack all of them. On land tanks will have to do the job, no airplanes yet or howitzers.

One thing I have to be, very fast to prevent him from deploying an adequate defense which until now he still lacks in many cities.

Any advice is welcome...tomorrow evening we continue with the game.

Thanks in advance!

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[Like2frolick]

Switch to Democracy. If you have ANY Happiness wonders, you should have the advantage. Play defensive, if he sends ten tanks to be crushed on your walls....counter attack.

Dip-rape him. Especially use Spies to blow up Happiness buildings and send his cities into revolt. Control the Ocean. Contain him on his continents, and systematically wipe em out.

[Martin Schmidt]

Like2frolick is right . To prevent your citizens
from going mad build some bunkers around . Units
stationed there are not counting for unhappiness.

[Hendrik the Great]

I don't have any happiness wonders whatsoever. That's why I'm communist. Neither do I have the SoL. I tried Democracy a while ago only to end up in civil war. Besides the time I would need to switch in mid game might be all he needs to bolster his defense.

The other idea however sounds very apealing. Since I'm communist I have all those nice vet spies... I think I will follow up on that and cause some pre-invasion havoc.
And the ocean is the key, right. I am already building new ships in 6 cities all along the atlantic. I don't think he can out-produce me in this, too. So far his fleet consists out of a single ancient frigate and a few transports.

Perhaps I try to take out the capital first, he won't split but it will take away some of his wonders and much science from him...

The danger is that I might be drawn into a three front war on pacific, atlantic and in Africa.

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[Mika]

Another idea...

switch to fundamentalism. All you have to do is to steal his technology to keep up with him and bribinb cities will be too expensive for him soon. (well, not all but at least larger cities)

And you get an additional military bonus and loads of money that allow you to build up more military units faster. If he really has almost no fleet you should be able to invade his home country very fast. I recommend some battleships and a few transporters full with tanks AND some spies to put down his city walls first. It will work... and later you could use some subs with missiles (you said you control the sea) to attack every ship that comes out of its harbour. On the other hand you should build some carriers with loads of bombers. Then all his cities near the coast are dead. Remember that he can't build as many units as you can when you switch to fundamentalism.

well, the whole posting presupposes that you already got fundamentalism... if not, he will have it and you have vet spies.

Have fun and kill him

Mika

[Scouse Gits]

I too would prefer fundy to commie, but the secret is undoubtedly a dip-rape and selective attack - as you have discovered Demo without the happy wonders is near impossible - in particular aggressive Demo without Shake and Bach is bloody impossible! Target those cities with all you have and either take them - might not be possible (at least to take and hold them) or as a slightly second best destroy them utterly - spy-rape the water supply down to a size 1 or 2 city then hit it hard with armour - his Democracy will fold.Good civin' and give himn hell!!

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[DaveV]

Another effective tactic against a democracy is to cover all of the shield-generating squares in a city radius with your units. This will leave the city with only the shields from the city square itself (usually only 1 shield), and will probably eliminate some of his units due to non-support. If you do this to several cities at once, you may be able to eliminate a good portion of his military, and he is unlikely to be able to mount an effective counterattack against your shield squatters. The besieged cities will probably end up thinly defended, also. This is obviously not as effective against cities with whales in their radius, or with offshore platforms.

[Bohlen]

Use and recycle those vet spies and sabotage everything he has. The more arrows and shields you can take away, the better the chance of knocking him off. And as DaveV said, cover and pillage his land. He'll freak out!

[Hendrik the Great]

This is not going well, it just takes far too long...

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[jcarkey]

Try taking out the pacific. This strategy is assuming your opponent has a good railroad system. Take a transport or two with an engineer, some armor and lots of spies. Harass an enemy city down to size one or two. MAKE SURE TO DESTROY CITY WALLS! Then build a small city close to the railroad line and the coast. Use that city as a base of operations. Start sending the armor out and take the enemy cities. When you need back-ups have your Pacific side cities and start rushbuilding armor constantly sending them to that one starting city. The loss of lots of small cities will slow down your opponents research and it will upgrade yors. After you conquer a good portion of land, max out science. You should be getting close to his mainland area making him go on to a slight defensive posture. You should be gaining a research edge with all of your capturing and new tax rate. If he decides to make a cease-fire bargain him for all he will give you. If he notices how quickly and decisively you are capturing he should be rather willing to make a cease-fire. If he doesn't, just do more of the same. If he happens to change from Democracy, keep your tax rate maxed and start bribing his cities.

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[SilverDragon]

Who has SOL?

Build vet spies in commie and then switch to fundy.

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[Hendrik the Great]

The enemy has SoL! That's the Problem! And I am building Spies. It's just so timeconsuming and he has so much money if he had the ships he could buy all of my within a few turns.

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[Hendrik the Great]

It does not work! I conquer England and he just buys it all back! Damned! I need Nukes or at least about 30.000 in my treasury to buy me a super large army.

Perhaps I need even more spies and soldiers...

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[Hendrik the Great]

Thanks a lot for your advice!

Hmm...those are really good points. I promise you, I won't let a stone keep standing on his territory!

Fundi is no option yet as no one has it discovered so far. But I will manage without.

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[Carolus Rex]

Ok, he buys everything back. But at least you're fighting in his backyard, pounding at his cities.

How about building a fortress in the UK somewhere and stack units in there? Then take a couple of cities and only defend them with one unit and sell off an improvement in each of them. Also, you get some gold when conquering his cities if they're big when you take them. He bribes them back and you repeat the cycle with the units in the fortress. This will wear his cities down.

Sacrificing an engineer to establish a beach head city may be a good idea. Then move in loaded transports, this way you don't lose any movement points. Have two other engineers build the fortress instantly and move all units in there.

True, this requires a lot of preparation and takes time. All IMHO, though.

Good luck!

Carolus