OCC fortnigth #12 - discussion and logs

[Paul]

As Tom already posted in his other thread, you start in fundamentalism and cannot switch governments. One problem is that when you discover an advance that allows a government you will be given the option to switch governments. For the purpose of this scenario you should say no in that case.

Download here.

[Andz83]

Well, I already played it. It's interesting to play in Fundamentalism.

One question: would it be good to set a luxury rate to increase the city's growth? I mean in this case...

[Smash]

I think so since a Fundy celebrating collects resources as if it were a Republic.

[tonic]

Downloaded. Hope to recover the concentration lost in OCC11. Something new again - must re-read that thread about Fundy being a viable alternative science govt.

[Scouse Gits]

I'm in - should finish OCC#10 in a day or so than I'll dive into this one...


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"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
[This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited June 28, 2000).]

[vik]

Tom,

Thanks for the scenario. One question -- Is your intent to have players stay in Fundy all game? Or is there some option we have to switch governments. I think I know the answer.

Fundy all game. Wow. Should be interesting -- that's a nice twist.

You can't spell "fundy" without "fun."

[Paul]

vik, as you already thought you are supposed to stay in fundy all game.

[vik]

One more question.

I'm about to play, and I read the intro.

Are we REQUIRED to allocate no more than 50% to science output?

I'd appreciate a quick answer. thanks.


Edit: thanks for answering my first question, Paul
[This message has been edited by vik (edited June 27, 2000).]

[Paul]

vik, the maximum effective science rate of fundy is 50%. This was added in one of the patches. So you can set your science higher than 50%, but it won't have any effect.

[vik]

Wow. I didn't realize this. I'm glad you mentioned it, because I would have tried to put it on 80% science the whole game.

I would have missed out on luxuries or extra taxes. Good thing I asked.

Thanks again!
[This message has been edited by vik (edited June 27, 2000).]

[Smash]

I'm having a blast with this.This is one of the best we've had so far.Brilliantly simple change that has presented all new problems.

I have no idea if I'm doing good or bad.I'm doing stuff and building things I don't normally.

Kudos to TD for a neat idea.

[Smash]

I made it!Quite a struggle and a "busy" game for OCC.Lots of activity.

The Romans started a SS but stopped building half way thru.Good thing too.I think it was because of war with England.In the end there were only myself,Rome and England.

2 civs were destroyed early but 1(France) never restarted.Perhaps due to Paris falling into Barb control kept dark blue from restarting.In light of Tom's recent discovery,this couldn't have helped.

I also could not celebrate after size 20.So that is where I stayed.Could have built CfC but I didn't think 2 more citizens was worth it given the length of time it would have taken to grow 2 more citizens.

I got ALOT of barb activity.Lost a few caravans to them.

1 very annoying point.

I had a gold caravan heading to Veii.It was demanded and Veii was size 9.The Romans declared war while it was enroute.
I thought"bye bye caravan" as it was in their territory.But they did not kill it.That happens sometimes and I thought "bonus".
They let me march it right next to it's destination and then killed it.I was slightly annoyed.A good 15 turns I marched that camel.But to tease me like that...argh.

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4000-Tehran- 2nd settler joins city
3800-hut-archer-NON
3750-Pottery
3600-contact English-peace-tribute-Burial
3500-hut wandering nomad-not too far away
3300-hut barb horseman
3250-granary-archer survives barb attack>veteran
3200-size 3-contact Zulus-trade Pottery for Alpha-alliance-trade England-Alpha for Myst-alliance
3100-French destroyed by barbs-hope restart is on
2900-size 4
2750-hut-barb horse-destroyed(hut on river)
2600-contact Rome-trade Alpha for Bronze-gift Burial and Pottery-peace
2550-size 5
2500-hut-legion-NON
2400-trade Zulus Myst for Mason-recieve 50-gift Bronze to England-receive 50
2350-hut-Warrior Code-England cancels alliance-all units send home &#@%
2200-England declares war
2150-hut-Horseback Riding
2050-Collosus
1950-Zulus cancel alliance-Things aren’t going to go fast enough for too much gifting yet.-hut-Iron Working-last 3 tech huts the Romans had @#$&
1900-Zulus destroyed by Rome
1750-size 6
1700-"we love the priest"
1650-hut-legion-NON-peace with England-tribute 50-trade Rome Myst for The Wheel-tribute 100
1500-contact Babylon-yes restart on-peace
1450-gift Horseback to Babylon
1350-Writing
1300-barb leader 150
1250-Hanging Gardens-there ya go Xin
1200-trade Rome Writing for Currency-tribute 100-trade England Iron for Code of Laws-tribute 25
1150-size 7-library-grand total of 12 beakers
1050-market-getting alot of barbs so far-gift Laws to Rome-gift Laws,Writing and Currency to Babs-alliance-Writing and Currency to England
950-diplomat
875-diplomat
825-size 8-hut-horseman-tribute-Rome 100-England 50
800-diplomat
725-Trade-diplomat-hut-Construction-disband diplomat
700-gold caravan
650-hides caravan-Babs gift 25-trade Rome Trade for Map Making-gift Map to England-disband horseman
625-coal caravan
575-hut-chariot-NON
550-aquaduct-contact Mongols-tribute 100-hut-legion-NON
525-size 9
500-dye caravan
475-gold caravan killed by barbs #$%&-hut-horseman-NON
450-food camel-hides to London 82 bonus-hut-legion-NON
425-coal arrivves in London 84 bonus
400-Math-gold caravan
375-barb leader 150
350-salt caravan
325-size 10-hut-Monarchy
300-food camel-dye arrives in London 90 bonus-bribe English chariot -112
250-food camel-gold arrives in London 90 bonus
Astronomy-Marco Polo’s Embassy-contact Aztecs-peace-tribute 150-only 5 other civs-blue hasn’t restarted-the AIs are hurtin way worse than me.-disband chariot-bribe Roman chariot -73-
200-caravan-hut-Polytheism-gift all ceptAztecs and Astronomy-share maps with all cept Aztecs
175-trade Aztecs Pottery and Monarchy for Literacy and Republic.-share maps-salt to London 90 bonus
150-gold caravan-hut-Engineering
125-hut-horseman-NON
100-Myst to Aztecs
75-size 11-caravan-disband legion
50-caravan
25-Cope’s-bribe Aztec caravan -115
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AD1-hut 2 barbs-1 destroyed.....-gift Literacy to Babs-receive 75-trade England Literacy for Seafaring-tribute-England 50-Mongols 100-Aztecs 50
20-horseman KIA-caravan-hut-elephant-NON
40-hut-3 barbs 1 destroyed
60-elephant KIA-caravan
100-caravan-bribed dye arrives in Rome 214 bonus-net gain 99.
120-Philosophy-Medicine-size 12-bribes-barb archer 61-legion 82
140-salt caravan-gift Literacy and Republic to Rome-Literacy to England-Philosophy and Republic to Mongols
160-trade Aztecs Seafaring for Banking-bribe Aztecs horsemen-77 and 85
180-caravan
200-gift Philosophy to Aztecs
220-bank
260-caravan
280-trade Babs Republic for Bridge Building-they cancel alliance-ton o units sent home
340-Great Library- what the heck?!- it will give me more control of the game-tribute-England 50-gift Philosophy to Rome-Philosophy and Seafaring to Aztecs-disband horseman
360-caravan
380-bribe english elephant(next to non settler outside city radius) 219
400-Sanitation
420-sewer-bribe barb trireme 82
440-size 13-gold arrives in Veii(demanded)594 bonus
460-gold caravan
480-University
500-caravan
540-build university
560-gift Banking and Sanitation to Rome-tribute-Aztecs 100
580-caravan-bribe english settler 340-barb trieme 82
620-caravan-England declares war
660-caravan
680-Rome declares war
700-size 14-caravan-peace with England-gift Sanitation and Banking-tribute Aztecs 100
720-Gravity-gift University and Bridge Building to Mongols
740-caravan-salt arrives in Rome(demanded) 500 bonus
760-Sir Isaac’s
780-Invention-alliance with Aztecs-receive 75
800-gift Invention to all-also-Engineering to Rome-Sanitation,Seafaring and Banking to Mongols
820-Leo’s Workshop-I have 2 NON settlers and 2 boats so it is worth it.Especially since it takes forever to grow.-hut-barb horseman
860-gold caravan
900-caravan
920-Navigation via Great Library-gift University,Wheel,Sanitation,Navigation,Iron and Bridge to Aztecs
940-Gunpowder-caravan-hut-50 gold
980-size 15-diplomat
1000-gold arrives in York(demanded)162 bonus
1020-caravan
1040-England declares war-tribute-Babylon-150-gift Warrior Code and Math to Aztecs-receive 25
1060-city walls
1080-Chemistry
1100-barracks
1120-bribe English catapult-354
1140-gold caravan
1160-bribe Roman caravan 192
1180-caravan
1200-peace with Rome
1220-caravan
1240-Explosives
1260-size 16-gold arrives in Tlatelolco(demanded)300 bonus-caravan
1300-caravan
1340-Metallurgy-caravan-Rome declares war
1380-caravan-coal arrives in Tenochtitlan 129 bonus
1400-gift Explosives to Aztecs-receive 25
1420-gold caravan-trade England Gunpowder for Feudalism
1440-trade England Engineering for Physics
1460-caravan
1480-Steam Engine-gift Physics to Aztecs
1500-Democracy via Great Library-size 17
1520-caravan
1530-gold arrives in Tlatelolco(demanded)354 bonus
1540-barb leader 150
1550-Railroad
1560-Darwin’s-Magnetism>Electricity-killed 2 of my own wonders in 2 turns-RR to Babs-tribute 100-RR to Aztecs-RR,Navigation and Gunpowder to Mongols-RR to England
1570-gift Sanitation to Aztecs-Physics to Mongols
1580-gold caravan-bribe English musket 314-gift University to Babs
1600-size 18-caravan-ceasefire with Rome-gift Democracy and Engineering to Aztecs
1610-steal Economics from Rome-publicly condemned but no war
1620-caravan
1630-gift Physics,Gunpowder and Steam to Babs-tribute 200-gift Steam to Rome-peace treaty-Steam to Aztecs-receive 25-Steam to England-tribute 50-Steam to Mongols-tribute 125
1640-Refrigeration-stock exchange-gift Magnet and Explosives to Rome-share maps-they declare war when asked for tribute-Explosives to Babs-Magnet and Economics to Aztecs-Magnet to English and Mongols
1650-Rome is slowly conquering the world-Chemistry to Mongols-I cancel alliance with Aztecs
1660-supermarket
1670-bribe Roman caravan 207
1690-gift Explosives to England-trade Aztecs Feudal for Industrialization-tribute 250
1700-size 19-we love cancelled..oops-caravan
1710 -we love the priest-
1720-The Corporation-Romans kill gold caravan @#&%-freight
1740-freight
1750-copper arrives in Ur(demanded)190
1752-freight
1756-gold freight
1758-Steel-size 20
1760-oil freight
1764-freight
1766-diplomat-gold arrives in Tenochtitlan 158 bonus and new route
Routes
Rome+14
Tenochtitlan+13
London+12
1768-diplomat-gift Industrial to England-bribe English cannon 416
1770-diplomat-bribe English Crusader 308-musket 212
1772-Refining-bribe English frigate 382-oil arrives Teno 158 bonus replaces London at +13-198 beakers-only 2 scientists right now.
1774-dye freight-trade Aztecs Electricity for Conscription-tribute 300-bribe English ironclad 462 Veteran!
1776-size 21-we love cancelled..hmm...maybe better off at 20.CfC only give 1 so cant celebrate past 22.
1778-engineer-we love the priest-bribr English engineer 992
1780-barb frigate sinks transport with freight &$#@
1782-freight-reparations gained against barb frigate-6 units destroyed-thats 5 passsengers
1786-Combustion-freight-bribe Aztec engineer 296-gift Indust,Conscript and Economics to Babs-trade England Conscript for Chivalry-tribute 75-gift Chiv,Indust and Conscript to Mongols-share maps
1788-bribe English musket 246-wheat>silk
1790-dye freight
1792-Communism cancels Marco’s(Romans)-sell sewer(for now)
1794-freight-trade Aztecs The Corp for Communism-share maps
1796-The United Nations-peace with Rome-
1798-bribe barb 2 knights@ 82-dye arrives in London(demanded)182 bonus
1800-coal freight
1802-Automobile-bye bye Leo’s.Seemed worth it.
1804-superhighway-a whopping 324 beakers with 2 scientists 6 turns
1806-sell aquaduct-gonna stay size 20.Takes too long to grow now and I will have 80 sheilds if I make it to the point where I need them.Unless I get CfC I can’t celebrate past 20.Can I?
1808-sell granary
1810-factory-steal Electronics fron Aztecs-publicly condemned
1812-Hoover Dam-why not?keep it away from the AI
1814-Refining-dye freight-coal arrives in Teno(demanded)835 bonus and new route.All 3 routes(+27)with Teno size 19
1816-silk freight
1818-freight
1820-Leadership-freight
1822-freight
1824-freight
1826-freight-barb leader 150-share maps with Babs
1828-freight-trade Babs Electronics for Mono-steal Tactics from Rome-publicly condemned-silk arrives in Teno 346 bonus
1830-coal freight
1832-Machine Tools-dye to Teno 346 bonus-ski troop
1834-silk freight-
1836-freight-barb leader 150
1838-freight-gift Tactics to Aztecs
1840-bribe barb knight 82
1842-Miniaturization
1844-barb frigate kills vet destroyer,transport and 2 freights-ouch-freight
1846-freight-gift Tactics to Babs-tribute 400-Tactics to Mongols-tribute 250
1848-freight
1850-freight
1852-Computers
1853-research lab-bribe barb dragoon 102 frigate 102
1854-coal caravan-barb leader 150
1855-silk freight
1856-Atomic Theory-freight
1857-freight
1858-freight
1859-SETI-preventative-sell research lab
1860-Nuclear Fission-freight
1861-freight-coal arrives in Teno(demanded)970 bonus
1862-Nuclear Power-dye freight-silk arrives in Teno 388 bonus
1863-coal freight
1864-freight
1865-freight
1866-The Laser-freight
1867-freight
1868-freight
1869-freight
1870-freight
1871-Flight-freight-coal arrives in Teno 457 bonus dye 183
1872-coal caravan-bribe 2 barb dragoons @102
1873-silk freight
1874-freight
1875-Radio-freight
1877-airport
1878-freight-coal arrives in Teno(demanded) 452 bonus
1879-dye freight
1880-Advanced Flight-freight-bribe Roman freight 380-silk arrives in Teno 181 bonus
1881-coal freight
1882-freight-bribe Roman freight 387-
1883-copper arrives in Teno 185-dye 185
1884-Rocketry-silk freight
1885-freight
1886-freight
1887-bribe Roman Freight 390-silk arrives in Tlatelco(demanded)408-cloth to Teno 185
1888-Space Flight-SAM
1889-Apollo
1890-gems arrive in Teno(demanded)554 bonus coal(demanded)462
1891-Plastics
1892-bribe English engineer 902
1896-bribe English engineer 819
1898-Superconductor
1899-Romans are getting techs every turn in Monarchy.Catching up fast.Typical
1900-Aztecs declare war
1901-peace with Aztecs
1904-15 structurals ready
1905-Fusion Power-bribe Roman freight 408
1907-Rome builds 13 structurals-bribe English rifleman 407-oil to Tlatelolco(demanded)539 bonus
1908-Rome builds 17 more structurals-bribe English ski troop 840
1910-Mobile Warfare-6 components-Babs and Mongols destroyed.
1913-3 modules launch
various defenses and units.

Rome stopped building at 30 structurals and 2 components
1928-ARRIVAL AC

Wonders
Collosus-2050bc
Hanging Gardens-1250bc
Marco Polo-250bc
Cope’s-25bc
Great Library-340ad
Sir Isaac-76-ad
Leonardo-840ad
Darwin’s-1560
UN-1796
Apollo-1889

Trade
1st-450bc
2nd-425bc
3rd-300bc


Trade-725bc
Construction-725bc
Sanitation-400ad
Refrigeration-1640ad
Automobile-1802ad
Computers-1852ad
Space Flight-1888ad

[Paul]

Well, it took some time but I finally finished this game. Unfortunately the Romans and English both arrived at AC one year before I did. I landed in 1935. In my game the Aztecs were wiped out early and never restarted. In the end only the English and Romans survived the game. The Zulus, French and Mongols all got killed in the modern age.

4000 BC Persepolis
3600 BC Bronze Working
3500 BC Hut: Barbarians
3150 BC Alphabet
Hut: Ceremonial Burial
2450 BC Writing
2000 BC Colossus
1950 BC English: trade Currency, Mysticism; peace; tribute 100 gold
1700 BC Library
1650 BC Code of Laws
1500 BC Marketplace
1400 BC Temple
1200 BC Diplomat
1100 BC Hut: Horsemen
1050 BC Trade
English: trade Construction, Masonry; tribute 100 gold
1000 BC Build Dye Caravan
950 BC Build Hides Caravan
Zulus: trade Map Making, Pottery, Warrior Code; share maps; peace
English: alliance; share maps; gift 50 gold
900 BC Build Gold Caravan
Hut: Seafaring
850 BC Build Hides Caravan
800 BC Build Hides Caravan
Dye to London (demanded): 112 gold
Hut: Horseback Riding
775 BC Hides to London (not demanded): 56 gold
Hut: Horsemen
750 BC Granary
700 BC Build Salt Caravan
Mathematics
Start WLTHPD
650 BC Build Copper Caravan
600 BC Colosseum
Hides to London (not demanded): 70 gold
575 BC Barb Leader: 150 gold
Hut: Barbarians
525 BC Zulus: war
English: cancel alliance
475 BC Copper to London (not demanded): 76 gold
450 BC Hides to Zimbabwe (not demanded): 112 gold
Hut: Legion
English: share maps; alliance
425 BC Astronomy
400 BC Dye Caravan
350 BC Aqueduct
250 BC Hut: Legion
175 BC Copernicus' Observatory
150 BC English: trade Literacy; gift 50 gold
125 BC Build Gold Caravan
100 BC Barb Leader: 150 gold
75 BC Philosophy, Medicine
Explorer
50 BC Salt to Hastings (demanded): 152 gold
25 BC Explorer
Hut: Barbarians
1 AD Dye to York (demanded): 168 gold
40 AD English: share maps
60 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
80 AD University
Hut: Iron Working
Gold to London (not demanded): 100 gold
Zulus: cease fire
Mongols: peace; share maps
120 AD Zulus: trade Bridge Building; peace; share maps
140 AD University
160 AD Romans: share maps; alliance; gift 200 gold
180 AD Diplomat
220 AD Build Salt Caravan
Hut: Theory of Gravity
240 AD Hut: Legion
260 AD Hut: Polytheism
Zulus: war
English: trade Republic; gift 50 gold
300 AD Wheel
320 AD French: peace; share maps
Mongols: war
400 AD Romans: gift 75 gold
440 AD Hut: Barbarians
460 AD Hut: Monarchy
520 AD Isaac Newton's College
Engineering
660 AD Sanitation
680 AD Sewer System
720 AD Mongols: cease fire
English: trade Banking, Navigation; gift 200 gold
740 AD Romans: gift 75 gold
Zulus: cease fire
Mongols: peace
760 AD Bank
780 AD English: gift 200 gold
Romans: gift 100 gold
800 AD Economics
820 AD Stock Exchange
Salt to Rome (demanded): 274 gold
880 AD Build Gold Caravan
900 AD Invention
940 AD Build Coal Caravan
960 AD English: trade Chemistry; gift 100 gold
Romans: trade Physics; gift 50 gold
980 AD Build Dye Caravan
1020 AD Leonardo's Workshop
English: gift 100 gold
French: war
1040 AD Gunpowder
Coal to Hatings (demanded): 142 gold
1060 AD Zulus: war
French: cease fire
1080 AD English: 300 gold for war with Mongols
1100 AD Build Coal Caravan
1120 AD Romans: cancel alliance
1180 AD Explosives
1200 AD English: cancel alliance
1220 AD Coal to Hastings (demanded): 142 gold
1300 AD Magnetism
Bribe English Settler for 692 gold
1420 AD Metallurgy
Gold to Ravenna (demanded): 384 gold
Bribe English Settler
1440 AD Build Gold Caravan
1500 AD Build Dye Caravan
Electricity
1520 AD Build Coal Caravan
1570 AD Refrigeration
1580 AD Supermarket
Coal to Hastings (demanded): 172 gold
1610 AD English build Darwin's Voyage
1620 AD Build Gold Caravan
English: trade Railroad
Romans: alliance; gift 250 gold
1630 AD Steam Engine
English: trade Industrialization
1640 AD Build Dye Caravan
1660 AD Build Coal Caravan
1710 AD Corporation
Coal Freight to Hastings (demanded): 182 gold
1756 AD Steel
Build Oil Freight
End WLTHPD (size 21)
Romans: trade Democracy, Monotheism; gift 200 gold
English: trade Chivalry, Feudalism, Leadership; war
1760 AD Factory
1764 AD Cathedral
1766 AD Zulus: peace; trade Atomic Theory
1768 AD Gold Freight to Ravenna (demanded): 312 gold
1770 AD Dye Freight to Rome (demanded): 310 gold
1782 AD Refining
French: peace
English: war
Oil Freight to Paris (not demanded): 67 gold
1788 AD Power Plant
1796 AD Romans: gift 150 gold
1802 AD Steal Conscription from English
1804 AD City Walls
1814 AD Genetic Engineering
1816 AD Cure for Cancer
Start WLTHPD
1820 AD Zulus: tribute 200 gold
Romans: gift 75 gold
1824 AD Build Wine Freight
Gold Freight to Ravenna (demanded): 428 gold
1826 AD Romans: trade Electronics
1828 AD Cloth Freight to Rome (not demanded): 191 gold
Sold Power Plant
1830 AD Hydro Plant
1832 AD Build Gold Freight
Bribe English Engineer for 1016 gold
1834 AD Build Oil Freight
Combustion
Bribe two more English Engineers
1842 AD English: tribute Automobile
1844 AD Superhighways
1846 AD Mass Production
French: tribute 350 gold
Romans: trade Tactics
1848 AD Mass Transit
1853 AD English: trade Flight
1854 AD Machine Tools
1855 AD Wine Freight to Pompeii (demanded): 360 gold
1856 AD Gold Freight to Rome (demanded): 600 gold
1860 AD Romans: trade Mobile Warfare
1861 AD Miniaturization
Oil Freight to Rome (demanded): 700 gold
1862 AD Build Gold Freight
1863 AD English: trade Nuclear Fission
Mongols: war
1865 AD Barracks
1871 AD Computers
1872 AD Research Lab
1875 AD Romans: trade Communism
1876 AD United Nations
1877 AD Zulus: tribute 550 gold
Mongols: peace
1880 AD Radio
Gold Freight to Rome (demanded): 600 gold
1882 AD Airport
1883 AD Build Oil Freight
1888 AD Advanced Flight
1889 AD Zulus: trade Robotics
Romans: trade Guerilla Warfare
1890 AD Manufacturing Plant
Oil Freight to Rome (demanded): 965 gold
1891 AD Rocketry
1895 AD Space Flight
1896 AD Apollo Program
1897 AD Romans: cancel alliance
1900 AD Plastics
1902 AD Romans: trade Nuclear Power
1905 AD Laser
1910 AD Superconductor
1915 AD Fusion Power
1920 AD Labor Union
Launch
1934 AD Romans, English spaceships land
1935 AD Arrival at Alpha Centauri

[Oldman]

Ha ha!!!! I'm back people, i can't believe i'm 2 occ's behind!?!? so, whats been going on while i've been away?

[vik]

A very draining scenario. I can’t post the highlights right now because I don’t have much time. I think I started out pretty good, but made some bad choices in the middle and endgames. Very lucky early on with huts. Thanks for the scenario, Tom!


4000bc-wow. Nice city location. I’ll need it in fundy. Wow, a fanatic unit. Should be no worries from hut-barbs wiping out this guy! I note that I am set at 50% science. After inquiring about whether I am allowed to adjust this, I decided to leave it where it is (thanks for the advice, Paul!). Also noted that I have discovered nothing. This will be a hard (but in a fun way) game. Hmm, priorities. I think I will start with a size-2 city with both settlers.
Tehran founded. Building warriors.
3950bc- researching Pottery (as per Xin Yu’s advice). I’ll have to whip out the old OCC guide and figure out what my next priority is (since it isn’t Monarchy).
3850bc- hut, horsemen(supported)
3800bc- Pottery discovered, researching alphabet (have been working the grapes and the gold), hut, 50gold
3750bc- warriors built, building granary
3400bc- Alphabet discovered, researching Writing; hut, 50gold
3250bc- hut, bronze working
3100bc- hut, archers
3000bc- meet english, peace, no alliance; meet french, peace, no alliance, acquire currency
2900bc- hut, barbarians
2850bc- barbarian horsemen die a horrible death at the hands of my fanatic
2800bc- hut, wondering nomads – they are about 20 squares away from Tehran, though
2700bc- hut, archers; hut, horsemen
2450bc- hut, 100 gold!
2400bc- discover writing, researching map-making; switch production to library; meet with english and gain alliance and 25 gold; hut-barbarians (kilt’em); hut, horsemen
2350bc- library built, building marketplace; hut, horsemen
2300bc- hut, horsemen (wow!)
2200bc- hut, barbarians; another horsemen bites the dust against my fanatic unit; hut, chariot; meet Romans, peace, no alliance
2150bc- hut, archers. Dang, I forgot to buy the marketplace!
2100bc- marketplace built, building granary; hut, horseback riding; gain alliance with French and 50gold
2050bc- meet aztecs; peace, no alliance; gain map-making; share maps with all
2000bc- granary built, building colossus; researching code of laws; trade english for code of laws and mysticism; switch production to high-food; hut, seafaring; hut, trade! I start building caravans instead
1950bc- researching literacy; get masonry from aztecs and 25gold from english
1900bc- get 25gold from english
1800bc- hut, 50gold; hut, 50gold
1750bc- hut, literacy
1700bc- researching philosophy; meet zulus, peace, no alliance, shared maps
1550bc- hut, mathematics
1500bc- hut, barbarians (kilt’em); shared maps with all; 25gold from french; hut, legion
1150bc- 50gold from french, 25gold from english
1000bc- meet Mongols; peace, no alliance, share maps
975bc- hut, legion
950bc- hut, 50gold; hut, barbarians (next turn they kilt me horseys!)
900bc- get construction from the aztecs
750bc- colossus built; building aqueduct
675bc- Salt caravan to Rome (demanded) 204 gold; alliance with aztecs and 150gold
650bc- philosophy and university discovered, researching astronomy; celebrating weluv; aqueduct built
600bc- university built, building caravans
575bc- Hides caravan to Rome (un-demanded) 168gold
400bc- Astronomy discovered; researching Theory of Gravity; Dye caravan to Rome (demanded) 364gold
275bc- Copernicus’ Observatory built, building caravans
250bc- Theory of Gravity discovered; researching Medicine; 250 gold from my allies
175bc- 125gold from allies
50bc- Isaac Newton’s College built; building caravans
25bc- medicine discovered; researching engineering; 250 from allies
40ad- diplomat built; back to building caravans
120ad- engineering discovered; researching sanitation
160ad- I dump all my knowledge off. Here’s what I get in return: Ceremonial burial, Bridge Building, Republic, Iron Working, and 500 gold; shared maps with all. It was very hard to bite my tongue and say, “No, Fundamentalism is working out just fine…”
180ad- built the Great Library (what the hell), building caravans
200ad- pop-12 (approximately)
260ad- sanitation discovered; researching invention
400ad- invention discovered; researching gunpowder; sewer system built; building caravans
440ad- acquire Monarchy from the Great Library
460ad- 250gold from english; 50 from aztecs
540ad- gunpowder discovered; researching metallurgy
600ad- King Richard’s Crusade built (why not?); building colosseum
640ad- colosseum built; building temple
660ad- temple built; building caravans; 450 in tribute/gifts
680ad- metallurgy discovered; researching chemistry
780ad- 200 gold from english
800ad- trade romans for chemistry; 150gold in tribute
820ad- researching explosives
840ad- explosives discovered; researching navigation
1000ad- navigation discovered; researching physics
1040ad- Leonardo’s Workshop built (I can afford it); building caravans
1080ad- 200gold from aztecs
1100ad- 150gold from english
1120ad- acquire banking from Great Library
1160ad- Physics discovered; researching magnetism; bank built, building caravans
1320ad- magnetism discovered; researching electricity
1400ad- through Leonardo’s and 4 bribes (for about 300 gold each), I now have 5 engineers working for me. I will transform most of the river squares into hills and try to maximize shields. This will hopefully, no, definitely (since it’s a scenario) allow me to skip researching robotics.
1420ad- make that 6 engineers (all NON) – I just spent 232 gold to get another one. 200gold from english
1460ad- electricity discovered; researching refrigeration
1550ad- refrigeration discovered; researching steam engine
1560ad- supermarket built; building caravans
1620ad- get 200gold gift from english, 250gold gift and economics via trade from aztecs, 150gold gift from french, 200gold tribute from romans, 100gold tribute from zulus, 150gold tribute from mongols
1630ad- pop=16; steam engine discovered; researching railroad
1660ad- it’s hard to tell how many more grasslands I need to transform into hills with King Richard’s Crusade still active.
1710ad- stock exchange built, building caravans; railroad discovered, researching industrialization
1756ad- 150gold from english
1758ad- industrialization discovered, researching steel; King Richard’s crusade is cancelled – now I can tell more easily if I need to convert another grassland into a hill.
1772ad- steel discovered; researching corporation
1788ad- corporation discovered; researching refining; 100gold from english
1790ad- pop=21; even at 80% luxuries, I still can’t maintain the WeLuv, so maybe I need to build Michaelangelo’s or J.S. Bach’s.
1806ad- refining discovered; researching combustion; big knowledge dump onto the AI’s. Did not give any of them refining, though (a pre-pre-req for flight); 150gold from Mongols; 50gold from english; 50gold from aztecs; 200gold from french; 100gold from zulus; 75gold from Romans; shared maps with all
1828ad- wool caravan to london (demanded) 134gold
1834ad- trade for conscription with Romans; trade for Polytheism with Zulus
1836ad- automobile discovered; researching electronics; factory built; building superhighways
1838ad- superhighways built; building power plant
1840ad- powerplant built; 80 shields with 3 mined wine, 1 mined coal, 4 mined hills, and the rest grasslands; building city walls; I guess I can change that coal back to buffalo and still get 80 shields. I mis-counted. I think I will and get the food bonus
1842ad- city walls built; building caravans
1846ad- electronics discovered; researching mass production
1850ad- coal to Nottingham (demanded) 430gold
1851ad- trade romans for fuedalism
1852ad- mass production discovered; researching chivalry. I can’t believe no AI has discovered this yet; coal caravan to nottingham (demanded) 430gold
1855ad- Darwin’s voyage built; discover chivalry and leadership; researching tactics; building freights; wool to london (demanded) 272 gold
1859ad- tactics discovered; researching machine tools
1865ad- mass transit built; building hydro plant (it was there), machine tools discovered; researching miniaturization
1866ad- hydro plant built; sold power plant; building freights
1868ad- gold to nottingham (non-demanded) 143gold
1870ad- miniaturization discovered; researching computers
1876ad- discover computers; researching flight; just for the heck of it, I slid my luxuries bar to 80% and saw that half my population was happy. Even at 20% I can celebrate. I wonder for how long I have been able to do this, and how much science I lost as a result
1877ad- research lab built; building freights; celebrating WeLuv
1878ad- for the heck of it, Hoover’s Dam built; building caravans; hydro plant sold
1880ad- flight discovered; researching radio
1883ad- copper caravan to York (demanded); around 272 gold; Gold to nottingham (non-demanded) 132 gold
1884ad- radio discovered; researching advanced flight; pop-27; We-Luv cancelled. Same thing as before – even 80% luxuries won’t achieve it. I suppose if I have an odd-number population in my city, I can’t celebrate, but with an even number, I can. Strange.
Oil to nottingham (demanded) 342gold
1885ad- wine to nottingham (demanded) 247gold; copper to Warwick (demanded) 144gold
1888ad- advanced flight discovered; researching rocketry
1890ad- trade romans for communism. Once again, I lie when I say “No, fundamentalism is working out okay.”
1891ad- united nations built
1892ad- seti program built; sold research lab
1893ad- built sun tzu’s war academy, building freights. I still have around 14k gold. Am I wrong?
1894ad- rocketry discovered; researching space flight; dye to samarkand (demanded) 274gold; copper to london (demanded) 142gold
1896ad- stole genetic engineering from the english. They cancel alliance. I should have been stealing more techs more often
1897ad- cure for cancer built; well whaddayaknow? WeLuv commences again.
1898ad- stole atomic theory from the english
1899ad- space flight discovered; researching plastics
1900ad- apollo program built; building SS structurals
1904ad- population is 28, with 5 extra food.
1905ad- discover plastics; researching nuclear fission
1910ad- discover nuclear fission; researching nuclear power
1911ad- my ship consists of 5 structurals and 6 components
1912 ad- english offer alliance to rid the world of the Romans. I take it.
1915ad- nuclear power discovered; researching the Laser
1920ad- laser discovered; researching superconductor
1921ad- 15 stucturals, 6 components, waiting on superconductor to be discovered; building freights
1922ad- french destroyed by aztecs; copper to York (demanded) 182gold
1924ad- superconductor discovered; researching fusion power
1927ad- dump all my knowledge in an attempt to lower the research rate. I give away everything but space flight, to include superconductor and plastics. The effect this has on my research rate is negligible.
1930ad- fusion power discovered; researching polytheism. Launch. ETA is 1945
1936ad- polytheism discovered; researching monotheism
1941ad- trade for monotheism, researching theology
1943ad theology discovered; researching espionage
1944ad- J.S. Bach’s cathedral built.
1945ad- arrive AC. Khomeini the Clever, 452 points, civ rating: 58%; my highest score of any fortnight

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Edit:

Well, here are my highlights and additional comments on the game. You may have noticed that I built a library, a marketplace, a granary, and 7 caravans before I built the colossus. I'm not sure if this was wise or not, but I didn't feel too far behind, and at least I got some early trade routes.

I'll be interested in seeing the table for easy comparison. I think I was doing great until the middle ages. Then I just seemed to go really slow. I mean, even though I discovered Space Flight in 1899ad, I couldn’t launch my ship until 1930ad because I was waiting around for Superconductor, and later, Fusion Power. Slowed me up a bit. Oh well.

Highlights: 4000bc-1945ad (version 2.4.2)

Colossus: 750bc
Copernicus: 275bc
Shakespeares: (never)
Isaac Newtons: 50bc
Darwins: 1855ad
Apollo: 1900ad
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Along the way, I also built the following wonders:

Great Library 180ad
King Richard’s: 600ad
Leonardo’s: 1040ad
Hoover’s Dam: 1878ad
United Nations: 1891ad
SETI Program: 1892ad
Sun Tzu’s War Academy: 1893ad
Cure for Cancer: 1897ad
J.S. Bach’s: 1944ad
Manhatten Project: (1945ad)

1st Trade Route: 675bc
2nd Trade Route: 575bc
3rd Trade Route: 400bc

Trade: 2000bc
Construction: 900bc (via trade)
Sanitation: 260ad
Refrigeration: 1550ad
Automobile: 1836ad
Computers: 1876ad
Space Flight: 1899ad

Size 12: 200ad
Size 21: 1790ad

Monarchy established: (never)
Republic established: (never)
Democracy established: (never – never even discovered this one)



[This message has been edited by vik (edited July 08, 2000).]