OCC Fortnight #6: Discussion, Logs, Gripes & Moans

[Scouse Gits]

The barb Pikes were still standing at the end of the game - in fact in 1800 I wasted a non vet Stealth Fighter against them just for fun! I tried to race a vet Howie across (also in 1800) but a diplo on the tracks stopped me from getting there.
As for the contest for resource squares, like Tom I ensured my city was utilising any squares at risk and beyond this had no problems.
p.s. For me its getting remarkably close to exam time (setting, writing marking schemes etc.) perhaps since many of the posters here are of student age the drop in activity suggests the onset of revision (unlikely, but it might just be the case)

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Scouse Gits]

A quick note about caravans:
I would have completely agreed with Tom's remark above, but in this game I only had 5 trade good caravans (+ 1 oil caravan that I kept in the hope that someone would eventually demand it and finally used in the Apollo construction) All 5 went to local cities - yes I feel I missed out on something, but I also had my best ever game - so what is the 'right' answer - wish I knew

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Paul]

I had a bit of a slow start, but an 18th century landing would still have been possible if that stupid Han Solo hadn't sneak attacked me while I was building my spaceship. I did not yet have any defensive units, so I had to build an armor and I also lost some more turns because he had units on my land and I could not get my 80 shields.

3900 BC Persepolis
Add second Settler
3750 BC Hut: Warrior Code
3650 BC Phalanx (I didn't actually want to build one; I just forgot to switch to Warrior when I settled the city)
3500 BC Warrior
3050 BC Ceremonial Burial
2700 BC Cloudy civ destroyed by Smugglers
2600 BC Barbs kill Phalanx
2500 BC Alphabet
2050 BC Smugglers: war
1900 BC Colossus
Code of Laws
Smugglers: alliance
1500 BC Smugglers: gift Map Making
1450 BC Smugglers: share maps
1300 BC Marketplace
1200 BC Smugglers: gift Monarchy, revolution
Warrior
1150 BC Smugglers: gift Horseback Riding
1100 BC Barb Leader: 150 gold
1100 BC Smugglers: gift Wheel
1050 BC Gov: Monarchy
1000 BC Smugglers: share maps
825 BC Writing
Rebels: trade Mysticism, Seafaring; alliance; share maps; gift 150 gold
800 BC Library
Smugglers: trade Mathematics, Trade; gift 125 gold
725 BC Catapult
675 BC Build Silver Caravan
650 BC Catapult gets killed against Pikemen
625 BC Diplomat
600 BC Rebels: gift 75 gold
Smugglers: gift 250 gold
575 BC Smugglers: share maps; gift 150 gold
Bribe Smuggler Trireme (Unfortunately it's not a NONE)
550 BC Build Hides Caravan
Rebels: gift Polytheism
525 BC Silver to Kells (demanded): 252 gold
500 BC Temple
Construction
475 BC Jedi: alliance; share maps; gift 50 gold
Robots: peace
450 BC Build Gold Caravan
425 BC Robots: trade Iron Working; share maps
400 BC Build Coal Caravan
375 BC Rebels: gift 100 gold
Smugglers: gift 25 gold
350 BC Build Spice Caravan
325 BC Rebels: share maps; gift 100 gold
Sand-People: peace; trade Literacy; share maps
300 BC Hides to Osaka (demanded): 176 gold
Smugglers: trade Engineering
250 BC Jedi: gift 25 gold
Smugglers: gift 50 gold
Barb Leader: 150 gold
150 BC Colosseum
100 BC Aqueduct
Bribe Rebel Trireme for 88 gold (again not a NONE)
75 BC Bribe Smuggler Trireme for 128 gold (finally a NONE)
50 BC Food Caravan
25 BC Republic, revolution
Gov: Republic
Jedi: gift 100 gold
Smugglers: gift 200 gold
Add Settler to Persepolis (now size 6)
Start WLTCD
1 AD Food Caravan
40 AD Food Caravan
Smugglers: gift 50 gold
60 AD Coal to Camarthen (not demanded): 196 gold
80 AD Build Wine Caravan
120 AD Food Caravan
End WLTCD, size 12
Sold Colosseum
140 AD Astronomy
Sold Temple
Smugglers: gift 100 gold
160 AD Copernicus' Observatory
Spice to Tenochtitlan (not demanded): 332 gold
200 AD Philosophy, Medicine
Wine to Nottingham (demanded): 450 gold
220 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
Start WLTCD, size 12
240 AD Sanitation
Gold to London (not demanded): 256 gold
260 AD Sewer System
300 AD Build Spice Caravan
320 AD University
340 AD University
380 AD Food Caravan
400 AD Banking
420 AD Bank
End WLTCD, size 20
460 AD Food Caravan
Theory of Gravity
Spice to Tenochtitlan (not demanded): 408 gold
480 AD Isaac Newton's College
Bridge Building
Rebels: trade Invention
Smugglers: gift 150 gold
520 AD Democracy, revolution
540 AD Gov: Democracy
Smugglers: gift 50 gold
580 AD Food Caravan
Chemistry
Sand-People: war
620 AD Gunpowder
Food Caravan
640 AD Smugglers: gift Navigation
660 AD Food Caravan
Explosives
700 AD Engineer
Economics
740 AD Engineer
Physics
780 AD Stock Exchange
800 AD Magnetism
820 AD Food Caravan
840 AD Metallurgy
Smugglers: gift 75 gold
860 AD Food Caravan
880 AD Electricity
920 AD Robots: trade Steam Engine
Refrigeration
Food Caravan
960 AD Supermarket
Railroad
1000 AD Industrialization
1020 AD Food Caravan
1040 AD Steel
1060 AD Food Caravan
1080 AD Corporation
1100 AD Food Freight
1120 AD Refining
1160 AD Food Freight
Combustion
1200 AD Automobile
Start WLTPD, size 18
1220 AD Superhighways
1260 AD Oil Freight
Electronics
1300 AD Darwin's Voyage: Mass Production, Atomic Theory
Rebels: trade Conscription, Feudalism
1340 AD Food Freight
Chivalry
1380 AD Food Freight
Leadership
1420 AD End WLTCD, size 27
Droids: trade Flight
1440 AD Tactics
Oil to Tenochtitlan (not demanded): 274 gold
1480 AD Machine Tools
1510 AD Miniaturization
1530 AD Computers
1540 AD Research Lab
1550 AD Mobile Warfare
1560 AD Factory
1570 AD Robotics
Sold Sewer System
1580 AD Power Plant
1590 AD Radio
1600 AD Manufacturing Plant
Sold Aqueduct
1610 AD Advanced Flight
1630 AD Rocketry
1650 AD Space Flight
1660 AD Apollo Program
1670 AD Plastics
Smugglers: cancel alliance
1690 AD Nuclear Fission
1710 AD Nuclear Power
1730 AD Laser
1750 AD Smugglers: sneak attack
Jedi destroyed by Sand-People
1758 AD Superconductor
1766 AD Armor
1774 AD Fusion Power
1790 AD Launch
1791 AD Stealth
1794 AD Recycling
1795 AD Sand-People: peace
1796 AD Mass Transit
1797 AD Environmentalism
1798 AD Solar Plant
1800 AD Communism
1803 AD Espionage
Sand-People: sneak attack
1805 AD Alpha Centauri

[Smash]

well...um...my game went a little differently.My early game was ok and followed normal OCC plans.Perhaps I was in a bad mood or something but after keeping my island clear of ai cities for 4000 years I got tired of constantly warding off settlers and sacking new cities that I built 6 cities on my island and conquered the tiny tiny map in 1300 AD.

This scenario was actually alot of fun but my inability to allow ai cities so close(goes against my OCC instincts) turned it into a mad bloodlust.Besides would Vader peacefully coexist with the likes of Han or The Alliance?I think not

[Paul]

Table finished. SG has the best result in this game so far.
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited May 06, 2000).]

[Hoss]

I play using v2.42. At the end of the game my reputation was spotless. That's what it normally is (unless I'm offered alot of gold to declare war on a civ, in which case it is excellent). I had 4 alliances that I kept throughout the game and actually found the AI easier to deal with than in most games.

The highlights of my game:
Wonders Colossus -2100
Copernicus -400
Newton 20AD
Shakespeare 260
Darwin 720
Apollo 1680
Governments Monarchy -1750
Republic -875
Democracy 400AD
Trade Routes 480AD, 580AD, 700AD
Techs Construction -2050
Trade -875
Sanitation 140AD
Automobile 1240
Computers 1510
Space Flight 1670
(I never researched Refrigeration)
City Size 12 (-700) 21 (580 but was size 20 in 340)
Gold From Alliances/Barbarians 1475
From Trade 680

I played on the lower site because the grape special provided more shields. I only got into the low 60s for shields, but had about 30 freights to disband so I could build my space ship in the 24 turns.



3750 50g Hut
3650 Alphabet, Ceremonial Burial, Map Making Alliance
Alliance with Alliance
3200 Writing and 25g Alliance
2350 Code of Laws
2200 Alliance with Cloudy
Horseback Riding, Warrior Code, 100g Cloudy
50g Alliance
2100 Colossus
2050 Construction, Mathematics Alliance
1850 Temple
Monarchy Cloudy
1750 Became Monarchy
Marketplace
1650 Warrior
1550 Alliance with Pirates
50g Cloudy
25g Alliance
1450 Iron Working Pirates
Seafaring Alliance
1350 Literacy Cloudy
1300 Mysticism Jedi
Alliance with Jedi
Diplomat
1000 150g Alliance
975 Colossuem
900 Philosophy
Republic
875 Became Republic
825 Trade Cloudy
Feudalism, 50g Alliance
Banking, 75g Jedi
700 Size 12
650 Bridge Building, 100g Alliance
425 Astronomy
400 Copernicus
325 University
275 Bank
175 Theory of Gravity
The Wheel Jedi
150g Alliance
50g Pirates
25g Cloudy
20 Newton
Engineering
140 Sanitation
Chivalry Cloudy
100g Cloudy
160 Sewer System
50g Jedi
25g Pirates
220 Coal to Armagh 57g
240 Bribe Trireme
260 Shakespeare
300 Invention
340 We Love to size 20
University
Democracy
400 Become Democracy
460 Economics
480 Gold to York 360g
500 Navigation Pirates
520 Metallurgy
Stock Exchange
580 Physics
Size 21
640 Steam Engine
680 Peace with Droids
700 Spice to Teotihuacan 156g
Railroad
720 Darwin
Chemistry
Industrialization
760 Explosives
820 Magnitism
880 Factory
Electricity
900 Conscription Alliance
50g Alliance
100g Pirates
100g Cloudy
940 Steel
1000 Corporation
1020 Oil to Osaka 107g
1060 Electronics
1120 Refining
1180 Combustion
50g Alliance
1240 Automobile
1260 Superhighways
1280 Mass Production
1320 Leadership
1360 Mass Transit
Tactics
1420 Machine Tools
1480 Minituarization
1510 Computers
1530 Research Lab
1540 Atomic Theory
1560 Flight
1580 Radio
1610 Advanced Flight
1640 Rocketry
1650 Ship killed by barbarians
1670 Space Flight
1680 Apollo
1700 Plastics (SS= 2-0-0)
1730 Nuclear Fission (SS= :4-1-0)
1754 Nuclear Power (SS= 8-1-0)
1760 The Laser (SS= 10-2-0)
1768 Superconductor (SS=14-2-0)
1774 150g Barbarian
1776 Fusion Power (SS=15-4-1)
1784 Launch
1790 Polytheism Alliance
1799 Land

[Scouse Gits]

Well done Hoss - good game (he sobs)

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Wow, I feel like I just went 13 rounds...

Here are the highlights. I was using MPG and chose the southern location.

Monarchy -1650
Republic - 325
Democracy 1180

Colossus -2000
Copes 480
Shakes 920
INC 1550
Darwin 1790
Apollo 1865

1st trade -125
2nd & 3rd 1 AD

Trade -1100
Cons -800
Sani 500
Refrig 1620
Auto 1800
Comp 1828
Space Flt 1852

Size 8 -250
12 -50
21 1772
max 25 1784

Tech City
Imporvement Misc Diplomacy
2 -3900 Build Vaderville (southern location), add settlers to city
5 -3750 Warriors Start Colossus
7 -3650 WC(h)
20 -3000 Alpha
24 -2800 Meet smugglers, give WC, masonry, get alliance & mapmaking
27 -2650 Meet Sky People, get CerBur, CoL for Pottery & Mapmaking, get alliance & 50g
28 -2600 Satsuma overlaps oasis & 1 river square
29 -2550 Smugglers at war w Sky People (good for me!)
31 -2450 Two Smuggler Warriors waste themselves on Sky Settler
35 -2250 Writing for Currency from Smugglers, they demand war on Sky People, I refuse, alliance dissolved
40 -2000 Colossus
46 -1700 Monarchy Revolution!
47 -1650 Monarchy
49 -1550 Library
56 -1200 Sky, Horse for Mon, dissolve alliance
57 -1150 Marketplace
58 -1100 Trade
62 -950 Temple
67 -825 Hides caravan
68 -800 Construction
72 -700 Gold caravan
75 -625 Diplomat Sky demand 100g, declare war
77 -575 Literacy Phalanx
79 -525 Add settlers to city
81 -475 Colossieum
83 -425 Diplomat
87 -325 Republic Rev, Repub
88 -300 Coal caqravan WLTCD (6)
89 -275 Meet smugglers, get Astro, Math, Myst, Poly for Con, BW, Repub, WC, alliance
90 -250 Cease fire with Sky people, give Trade to Alliance to maintain alliance
94 -150 Aqueduct Smugglers demand trade, declare war; I capture Hastings, take 37g & Bridge, they ask for peace, given
95 -125 Coal to Satsuma, 64g
98 -50 End WLTCD I(12)
99 -25 Phil, Univ Silver caravan
100 0 Silver to Satsuma, 180g, Hides to Satsuma,72g
103 60 Spice caravan Could've had the caravans delivered sooner if I didn't waste time looking for a trireme to bribe
104 80 Medicine Start Copes
105 100 Sky threatening with cat & knights, switch to city walls
106 120 City walls Sky attack
109 180 Archers
111 220 Wheel
115 300 Bribe barb crusader
119 380 Engineering
124 480 Copes
125 500 Sanitation
129 580 Banking
134 680 TheoryofGrav
140 800 Econ
146 920 Chem Shakes Sell colossieum
147 940 Sell temple
148 960 Sewer
149 980 Start WLTCD (12)
150 1000 Phalanx
152 1040 Invention Phalanx
157 1140 End WLTCD(19)
158 1160 Democracy Bank Rev olution
159 1180 Phalanx Dem
160 1200 Phalanx
161 1220 Phalanx Meet Jedis, get Iron, Seafaring for Repub and Bank, alliance
163 1260 Gunpowder Phalanxes were a waste of time
164 1280 End war with Sky People
167 1340 Metallurgy Jedis expel Diplomat from within my own territory!
171 1420 Navigation
175 1500 Explosives
179 1540 Physics
180 1550 INC finally! Cloud demand 250g, declare war, Jedis assist
182 1570 Cease fire with Sky but no peace, Pirates, San for Feudalism, trade maps
183 1580 University
184 1590 Electricity Damn Sky cat on gold sq.
187 1620 Refrig Sky declare war
188 1630 Cease fire with Sky but no peace
190 1650 Steam
191 1660 Stock Ex Sand people damaging Jedis
193 1680 RR Engineers Sky threatening again
195 1700 Supermarket
196 1710 Industrialization
199 1740 The Corp
201 1752 Smugglers declare war, I take Warwick & Leadership
203 1756 Steel
204 1758 Factory Sky declare war - prepare to die!
205 1760 Musketeers Smugglers start Darwin
206 1762 Musketeers Sky start Darwin
207 1764 Refining
208 1766 Cannon WLTPD(18)
209 1768 Diplomat Steal Feudalism from Sky
210 1770 Diplomat
211 1772 Conscription Diplomat Peace treaty with Sky people
212 1774 Start Darwin
215 1780 Electronics Sky keep appropriating gold mtn
216 1782 Jedis destroyed by Sky
217 1784 End WLTPD(25)
220 1790 Combustion, Auto Darwin Sky cannoning away at barb pikemen on mountain
221 1792 Sky declare war again, I lose engineer
223 1796 Tactics
225 1800 Auto
226 1802 Hydro
227 1804 MobileWar
228 1806 SuperHighways
230 1810 Machine Tools Armor! Pollution getting out of hand
232 1814 Armor
233 1816 Minituarization Engineers Take Hladir, 28g; GD senate signs peace treaty. WTF am I going to do with these armor?!?!?!?
234 1818 Freight Rebels destroyed by Sky
236 1822 MassProd Freight Sky destroy Sandy
237 1824 Freight
238 1826 Freight
239 1828 Computers Freight Sky complete MC in 3 turns!
240 1830 Freight
241 1832 Low on food
242 1834 Robotics ResearchLab
244 1838 Flight MassTransit Lose engineers
245 1840 Freight
246 1842 Radio Freight
247 1844 Freight
248 1846 AdvFlt Freight
249 1848 Freight
250 1850 Rocketry Freight
251 1851 Engineers Meet Robots, they declare war
252 1852 SpaceFlt
254 1854 Plastics Pollution back under control
256 1856 Atomic Theory Manu plant
258 1858 Nuclear Fission Sell Aqueduct
259 1859 Sell Sewer
260 1860 Nuclear Power Should've sold sooner but I thought I could increase city size
263 1863 Laser
265 1865 Apollo
266 1866 Superconductor Engineers
267 1867 Component Prod at 74
268 1868 Component
269 1869 Component Pollution getting bad, prod @ 76
270 1870 Component 6 polluted sqs
271 1871 Component
272 1872 Fusion Component
276 1876 Prod at 79
277 1877 Module
278 1878 Recycling litle late for that!
279 1879 Module Prod at 81 finally!
280 1880 Structural
281 1881 Structural
282 1882 Structural
283 1883 Structural
284 1884 Stealth Structural
285 1885 Structural
286 1886 Structural
287 1887 Structural
288 1888 Structural
289 1889 Structural
290 1890 Environmentalism Structural
291 1891 Structural
292 1892 Structural
293 1893 Structural
294 1894 Structural
295 1895 Module Launch! ETA 1910
296 1896 Combined Arms Barracks
297 1897 Oil caravan Oil caravan to Nara, 160g, weak! It was demanded!
298 1898 Howitzer
299 1899 Howitzer
301 1901 Communism Airport
302 1902 Stealth Ftr Bribe robot cruiser for 256g, why so cheap?!?
304 1904 Recycling Center Sky start SETI, think I'll build it instead!
305 1905 Sell research lab
307 1907 SETI Sky declare war
308 1908 Espionage Howitzer
309 1909 Armor
310 1910 AC! Power Strong, rep Spotless, Sky Uncooperative, Droids and Smugglers Enraged

I only delivered 4 caravans, my lowest total ever. Also, I didn't capture a single barb leader and got almost no money from demands/gifts.

Did anyone else make it through on MPG?

[Paul]

Well done Hoss. A bit unconventional to build INC before ST, but apparently it worked.

[Oldman]

I know this is late, but nevermind!!! Here is my attept at OCC6, i was the slowest to AC out of you guys, but i beat the rest of the civs!! I wasn't really able to trade Techs with them cause i was quite a way out in front and they never caught up!! Anyway, here is the log!!!!!


v2.42 Deity

Monarchy 925bc
Republic 325bc
Democracy 1260ad

Colossus 1750bc
Observatory 140ad
Marco Polo 460ad
Theatre 880ad
Newtons 1500ad
Darwins 1720ad
Apollo 1886ad

Trade 750bc
Cons 875bc
Sani 940ad
Refrig 1720
Auto 1798
Comp 1846
Space Flt 1876

Size 12 75bc
Size 24 1826ad
Max size 27 in 1869ad


3900bc founded Coruscant
started colossus
started ceremonial burial
3400bc horseback riding from ancient scrolls
3000bc ceremonial burial invented
starts alphabet
2550bc added settler to Coruscant
2400bc invented alphabet
starts code of laws
1900bc formed alliance with rebels!??!
exchanged pottery for writing
1750bc Colossus!!!
1500bc Code of Laws!!!
starts monarchy
gift of map making from alliance
1300bc rushed library
1250bc added settler to Coruscant (size 4)
975bc invented monarchy
Revolution!!!
925bc King Daft Oldman!!!!
875bc exchanged monarchy for Construction with rebels
850bc gave smugglers 100 for peace treaty!
built marketplace
825bc WLTKD started
750bc invented TRADE!!!!!
exchanged construction for Mystisism with smugglers
wheel from rebel alliance
600bc Exchanged Wheel for Seafaring with smugglers
exchanged trade for polytheisism, and 300 gift from rebels
550bc 250 gift from rebels
exchanged seafaring for literacy
425bc diplomat!
375bc invented republic - revolution!!!!
WLTKD ends
325bc REPUBLIC!!!
exchanged literacy for maths with smugglers
300bc WLTCD started size 5
Caravan
250bc rushed aquaduct
200bc rushed temple
WLTCD ends size9
150bc WLTCD started size9
gift of 200 from rebels
100bc diplomat
started marco polo
75bc SIZE 12!!!
50bc WLTCD ends
1st Trade (silver) unwanted
25bc invented astronomy
changed to observatory!
120ad rushed observatory
gave sand people construction for peace!
140ad built observatory!!!!
200ad catapult
starts marco polo
220ad exchange republic for war code, and give banking to rebels
260ad bribed barbarian archer
320ad philosophy (not the 1st)
440ad fortification at pass
rushed marco polos
460ad gave republic and war code to pirates
built marco polo
exchanged construction for feudalism with coud people
gave seafaring and banking to robots for peace
gave iron working, and got gift of 75 from rebels!
480ad 75 gift from rebels
540ad monothesiesm from rebels ally
560ad starts great wall (to get theatre!)
caravan
580ad 2nd Trade - 64 revenue (unwanted)
600ad Invented Medecine
changed to theatre!
disbanded catapult
700ad exchanged astronomy for engineering with droids
760ad Bridge Building!!
exchanged bridge building for navigation with rebels and 50 gift!
860ad gift of 100 from rebels
rushed theatre
880ad theatre built
940ad Sanitation!!
960ad Caravan
980ad 3rd Trade - 32 revenue
1000ad rushed sewer system
1020ad sewer system built
1040ad WLTCD started size 12
1060ad gave navigation to jedi
exchanged medicine for uni plus 100 gift from rebels
sold aquaduct and bribed rebel Caravel - No trouble!!!
1080ad Invention invented?!?
1140ad built aquaduct again?!?! doh!
started on wonder
1160ad declared war on sand people for 500!!!
geography shared with rebels!!
1200ad Democracy - revolution!!
1260ad DEMOCRACY!!!!!
1280ad WTLPD size 16
1320ad invention for physics from rebels!!
1400ad bribed jedi tireme!!
1420ad Gravity?!?!
1500ad newtons college
50 gift from rebels
1530ad WLTPD cancelled size 19
rushed uni
1540ad university
1550ad steam engine invented
exchange steam for chemistry with rebels
1560ad caravan
1570ad railroad!!
1600ad industrialisation
bank
1610ad trade (spice) 144 revenue!
1630ad gunpowder
1670ad metallurgy
1680ad 50 gift from rebels
1710ad electricity!!!
rushed darwin!!
1720ad darwin!! refridgeration! explosives!
1740ad engineer
1754ad caravan, economics
1756ad rushed supermarket
1758ad supermarket
1762ad corporation
payed 50 tribute to jedi + railroad, shared maps!!
1764ad trade (oil) 140 revenue
1768ad electronics
1774ad engineers
1776ad refining
1780ad gave gunpowder to cloudies, and exchanged navigation for chivalry
1782ad allies invent communism - no more marco polo
1784ad combustion
1792ad steel
1798ad automobile
1802ad frieght - trade 218 revenue! WLTPD size 18
1804ad rushed superhighways
1808ad mass production
1810ad jedis wage war on me!! destroy militia
bribe jedi chariot
1812ad freight
1814ad leadership
1818ad trade coal - 284 revenue
rushed mass trans
1820ad mass transit and conscription
1826ad WLTPD ends size 24, tactics!!!
1834ad caravan, machine tools!
1840ad mianturization
1844ad sneak attack by cloudies destroys caravel!?!
trade coal - revenue 870
1846ad computers!!!
1848ad rushed research centre
1850ad allied to pirates for 50 and railroad (twice)
1851ad atomic theory!
1853ad recycling!
rushed recycling centre
1854ad recycle centre!
disbanded engineers
1855ad Nuclear power!
1856ad rushed factory
1857ad nuclear fission!
factory
ceasefire with cloudies for metallurgy!
1859ad caravan
1860ad laser!!!!
1863ad flight - oh no!!
trade coal - 463 revenue
1865ad WLTPD starts 24
1866ad radio!
1869ad WLTPD ends size 27!
1870ad advanced flight!
1873ad rocketry!
1876ad space flight
1879ad alliance steel space flight
1880ad environmentalism
1884ad plastics
1886ad apollo
1884ad superconductor
1923ad 3 modules
15 structurals
6 components
launch - 1938 landing
1938ad [b]AC landing!!!!!!
Daft Oldman the Cruel! 286 points, 38%

[Scouse Gits]

Well done, Oldman! That does sound quintessentially English doesn't it?

Just a couple of comments upon your log - hopefully helpful ones.

Towards the end it appears that you did not have enough caravans on hand - you should be aiming for somewhere around 30 caravans in stock for when space flight comes - you can now rush Apollo and each SS part in one turn for no gold cost (assuming 80 production) - if you have fewer caravans you need more gold to compensate, but the cost effective solution is to invest early in caravans rather than save the money for later use.

It also appears as if you only had techs every two turns for a short while - on this map (for the first time ever in my OCC experience) I managed 1 tech per turn for a short period - you should certainly have been at tech per two turns for longer - don't be afraid of running a deficit economy in order to have that science cranked up to 90 or 100% - as a rule of thumb (definitely NOT carved in stone) set you science rate at the lowest that maintains the highest science rate - (that was gibberish - what I mean is if you can get an advance in 3 turns on 100% science you will often find that it is still 3 turns at 80% - so use 80%!) A certain amount of fine tuning is possible by the use of Einsteins and Taxmen and I'm fairly certain that the perfectionists such as Tom, Paul and vik are carefully counting beakers (you can determine the actual cost by taking off all Eins and moving the science rate to 0% the number of turns now shown is the actual beaker cost for the advance - you note this down reset your tax rate and Eins and count off the beakers as they are contributed each turn - I may once have been a mathematician, but I'm certainly not an accountant and that smacks of too much hard work to me - but each to their own!

Does this help - it began to feel rather too much like a diatribe.



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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Oldman]

Cheers Scouse, yeah i really wanted to have a stock of caravans or a wad of cash. But somehow time kind of got away from me?!?!

I'm not quite sure how you got techs every turn?!?! did you manage to get that rate for very long? Am i right in thinking that the amount of beakers required is dependant on lots of stuff, including how far ahead you are? because i was along way out in front!! the alliance were the closest and were only on Automobile until they stole space flight!!! should i give them more and let them research "useful" stuff for me and then trade, or beg for it, does that kind of thing work? but i'm just hopeing it's an excuse!!!

But it was a good game all the same!! i enjoyed it!!! I'm still getting to grips with the whole OCC strategy thing! my usual tactic is to spread like rabbits, occupy every bit of vacant land!! grow fast, and build everything! i usually get such a tech advantage i can be lazy and not pay too much attention to any one city!!

But, i think i'm getting better with practice!! I'm hopeing to be within about 50 years of the winner this time and not over 100!!! have you started viks new one?

[Scouse Gits]

Just had another look at your log - two aqueducts didn't help, but the mass transit and recycling center were way off mark - two engineers can handle all polution problems - to get a decent OCC landing date you have to cut all those corners - environmentalism (what's that?) and don't forget each 'uneccessary' tech increases the cost of every single tech you research after it!!!!!
There has been a lot of discussion about what influences the cost of techs - the consensus appears to be that the more powerful you are the more expensive they get, not as far as I recall the more advanced you are - but I believe the jury is still out on the fine detail.
It seems to work well keeping your allies more or less abreast of you with techs at least until somewhere around the automobile stage - that way they have worthwhile stuff to trade - remember to always give the guy with The Library any tech first - otherwise he gets it for free. This strategy can come unstuck - note vik getting beaten last time out even though his landing was incredibly early - my personal style is give anything (except unreasonably large sums of money to the AIs and regularly demand tribute in return - if they are allies you are informed when they discover/acquire a useful tech and then you trade for it and give it to your other allies thus making them all v happy and donate large tribute - once an ally falls to Neutral or below tread very carefully - I feel it is generally worthwhile to maintain the alliance at nearly any cost.

So endeth the Second Lesson.

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Oldman]

Yeah, the double aquaduct thing!!!! i read that you guys sold off your aquaducts once you'd no longer need them!! but i didn't realise that you could grow without it, a bit of short sightedness on my part and my being unable to reload to correct the mistake i learnt from - but i'll know next time!!!

I shall remember about the mass transit and recycling, environmentalism was to get solar plant - same reasons!!! It's just a case of cutting as many corners as you can, but i'm slowly learning which ones!!!!

I pretty much try to keep my alliances as long as i can, to help with tech exchanges and trades. which is why i usually go to marco polo!!! i always have, it saves building diplomats, and i think it's actually cheaper and quicker than building 6 dipolmats - but don't quote me on that!!!! And that's a good point about the library! i'll remember that!! !!

[Scouse Gits]

Marco's!! You built Marco's! - goes back and checks log - you built Marco's!
In a 'normal' OCC it is rare that we ever build even one diplo - you don't need an embassy with the AI - just meet, talk and hopefully ally -- you have been misled by the seriously wierd nature of the last few challenges on this board - for instance on the polar ice it was a choice between the Lighthouse (my way) or wait until caravels for trade and get the early treaties (and tribute) via Marco's - I think if you do the sums Marco's + Aqueduct + Mass Transit + Recycling Center = enough caravans to rush SF to AC in 40 turns!!!
Your city cannot grow at all once you lose the aqueduct (as you discovered) you might consider losing once you have achieved size 21 or whatever goal you need (I dont think that it increases pollution - as losing the sewage plant would - but then who cares about pollution?)

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor